Posted on Jan 24, 2021
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I don't get it. These groups have Democrats in charge of each level of government and yet continue. Why are these riots still going on?
I don't understand the mental mindset of the rioters and what they are hoping to achieve. Anyone have some insight?
I don't understand the mental mindset of the rioters and what they are hoping to achieve. Anyone have some insight?
Left-wing riots rattle US cities even after President Biden's inauguration
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The Democrat mindset is not to achieve goals, but to always be ungrateful, always be asking for more, always be trying to grab more power. They are not so much a political party as a militant religion.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
LTC John Shaw - I didn't imply anything. I asked a question.
I do not agree that civility is the objective of government but rather a means through which we pursue the aim of a more perfect union. I agree with you that we must have accountability, but that accountability should apply equally and calls for accountability should not be solely directed toward one side or the other.
Forgive me if I assumed, but you did lead off your OP with a statement of your ignorance - that you don't "get it" or understand the mental mindset of the rioters, though you do appear to want to imply that the rioters have specific political leanings and gauge the need for accountability based on said political leanings rather than a focus on the actions of the rioters. It may be construed that your desire for accountability is based on a political motive rather than a civil one.
I do not agree that civility is the objective of government but rather a means through which we pursue the aim of a more perfect union. I agree with you that we must have accountability, but that accountability should apply equally and calls for accountability should not be solely directed toward one side or the other.
Forgive me if I assumed, but you did lead off your OP with a statement of your ignorance - that you don't "get it" or understand the mental mindset of the rioters, though you do appear to want to imply that the rioters have specific political leanings and gauge the need for accountability based on said political leanings rather than a focus on the actions of the rioters. It may be construed that your desire for accountability is based on a political motive rather than a civil one.
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LTC John Shaw
MSgt Steve Sweeney -
Politics is poison, everyone wants to blame the otherside.
I really want to have American solutions, people should not resort to violence, we should encourage civility as a way to work through problems.
I do believe they have political motives. Here is the reporting that is most to the point and I still don't 'get it'.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/us/portland-riot-protesters-charged/index.html
Politics is poison, everyone wants to blame the otherside.
I really want to have American solutions, people should not resort to violence, we should encourage civility as a way to work through problems.
I do believe they have political motives. Here is the reporting that is most to the point and I still don't 'get it'.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/us/portland-riot-protesters-charged/index.html
Here's why rioters say they're gathering in Portland
Rioters again took to the streets of Portland, Oregon, on Thursday -- the first full day of Joe Biden's presidency -- to let the Democratic establishment know they are still fighting for racial justice, some told CNN.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
LTC John Shaw - Politics is what people make it. Politics is necessary for governance and establishing policy. Ultimately I bet we agree on most things, but how to achieve those aims is where politics live. It is the process of how, not what, that is broken.
As for the people in Portland, it would appear they have a problem with the number of their neighbors getting killed by police, and how those killing very much appear to be driven by race... along with the accountability or lack of accountability for those killings. When you have a problem and you can't call people that are supposed to help you with that problem for fear of being killed by the people that are supposed to help, there is a problem. If the people that are supposed to enforce the laws are breaking the law, and there is no one to hold them accountable, or the laws are structured in such a way that there is no accountability, there is a problem. From their perspective it appears to be an intractable problem, one they must live with on a daily basis.
Non-violent calls to draw attention to the problem were ignored or ridiculed, like kneeling during the National Anthem... so when people have a problem of this caliber and they don't feel they are being heard or taken seriously, what should they do?
As for the people in Portland, it would appear they have a problem with the number of their neighbors getting killed by police, and how those killing very much appear to be driven by race... along with the accountability or lack of accountability for those killings. When you have a problem and you can't call people that are supposed to help you with that problem for fear of being killed by the people that are supposed to help, there is a problem. If the people that are supposed to enforce the laws are breaking the law, and there is no one to hold them accountable, or the laws are structured in such a way that there is no accountability, there is a problem. From their perspective it appears to be an intractable problem, one they must live with on a daily basis.
Non-violent calls to draw attention to the problem were ignored or ridiculed, like kneeling during the National Anthem... so when people have a problem of this caliber and they don't feel they are being heard or taken seriously, what should they do?
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LTC John Shaw
MSgt Steve Sweeney -
I really appreciate your thoughts on 'the process of how, not what, that is broken.'
The process of a city like Portland is the Mayor's office to the Police Commissioner to the FOP rep and the individual officer. I number of the people killed by the police force, regardless of race, is much higher than I understood.
There has been a history of Justice department involvement from the Obama and Trump administrations with settlements and promises of change. I can see how after a period of time, it would be beyond civil resolution.
Perhaps the attempts to resolve are not viewed as legitimate or enough given the suffering. It speaks to a deep resentment over time that I don't experience on a daily basis.
Specifically, the Justice Department found that PPB uses excessive force during interactions with people who have or are perceived to have mental illness. These uses of force against persons with mental illness are manifest in three ways: (1) encounters too frequently result in a higher level of force than necessary; (2) officers use electronic control weapons (ECW), commonly referred to as “Tasers,” in circumstances when such force is not justified, or deploy ECWs more times than necessary on an individual; and (3) officers use a higher degree of force than justified for low level offenses.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-and-city-portland-ore-reach-preliminary-agreement-reforms-regarding
I really appreciate your thoughts on 'the process of how, not what, that is broken.'
The process of a city like Portland is the Mayor's office to the Police Commissioner to the FOP rep and the individual officer. I number of the people killed by the police force, regardless of race, is much higher than I understood.
There has been a history of Justice department involvement from the Obama and Trump administrations with settlements and promises of change. I can see how after a period of time, it would be beyond civil resolution.
Perhaps the attempts to resolve are not viewed as legitimate or enough given the suffering. It speaks to a deep resentment over time that I don't experience on a daily basis.
Specifically, the Justice Department found that PPB uses excessive force during interactions with people who have or are perceived to have mental illness. These uses of force against persons with mental illness are manifest in three ways: (1) encounters too frequently result in a higher level of force than necessary; (2) officers use electronic control weapons (ECW), commonly referred to as “Tasers,” in circumstances when such force is not justified, or deploy ECWs more times than necessary on an individual; and (3) officers use a higher degree of force than justified for low level offenses.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-and-city-portland-ore-reach-preliminary-agreement-reforms-regarding
Justice Department and the City of Portland, Ore., Reach Preliminary Agreement on Reforms...
The United States and the city of Portland, Ore., announced today that they have reached a preliminary agreement to make changes to Portland Police Bureau policies, practices, training and supervision. This agreement was reached following a comprehensive investigation. Together with the agreement, the Justice Department today announced its findings that the Portland Police Bureau (PPB) has engaged in an unconstitutional pattern or practice of...
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They should all be prosecuted. Proof that it is never enough with fringe elements. Maybe they are claiming BLM, while not happy the Progressives of their choice didn't get Cabinet posts. Also "We want it all free, and we want it now, or we'll throw a fit". A similar split is in the making with RNC. Imprisonment should deter rioting to a degree.
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