Posted on Oct 22, 2021
Actor Alec Baldwin Kills One Person, Wounds Another When Prop-Gun 'Misfires'
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You would think an "enlightened" leftist would know that even a blank can kill a person. Never point a loaded weapon at a person unless they are criminals who need to be put down.
Actor Alec Baldwin Kills One Person, Wounds Another When Prop-Gun 'Misfires'
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You handle a weapon - you are responsible for ensuring it is safe. Yea, I'm sure several people will blame the prop person and not even blink or think that the person pulling the trigger is in any way at fault.
It was drilled into my head that *any* weapon I point at anyone else is MY responsibility. Period. That includes training with Miles Gear where we do aim and pull the trigger with someone in our sites.
He should be facing manslaughter charges - even if it comes with no time served. But, since he is an actor about the worst he'll face is "mans laughter" and possibly some ridicule for a few weeks until it is forgotten.
It was drilled into my head that *any* weapon I point at anyone else is MY responsibility. Period. That includes training with Miles Gear where we do aim and pull the trigger with someone in our sites.
He should be facing manslaughter charges - even if it comes with no time served. But, since he is an actor about the worst he'll face is "mans laughter" and possibly some ridicule for a few weeks until it is forgotten.
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I'd call it second degree, not manslaughter. It may have been unintentional, but he wasn't in a scene, he shot and killed a cinematographer. Why did he point and fire a "prop" at a crew member?
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Cpl (Join to see) - The article is clear that it was off set people killed/injured. It was not in any way clear of the actions taken by the actor other than he pulled the trigger. Was he sitting in a chair off camera and lazily waving the gun up in the air and pulled the trigger without even looking where he was aiming? Why did they even need a gun to do this as that is what the art of Foley is for. Way too much guessing. But I have a feeling you are closer to right than I am. ;)
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Very bad accident but we have seen several. In one a bullet was fired from a cartridge with only a primer. The bullet only went part way into the barrel. A stunt blank was then inserted into the weapon with out clearing the weapon. The blank was fired forcing the bullet out and killing the actor. Another actor put a blank gun up to his head and the paper wadding killed him.
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LOL... they were filming a movie scene you ASVAB waiver. This wasn't two autistic Marines playing in the barracks. They had every expectation that the "gun" was rendered safe by a certified prop master.
This is the prop masters fault, not some random actor.
This is the prop masters fault, not some random actor.
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There is much more to the story. alec has a history of abusing women, even his own daughter. And then we find out the cinematographer is a woman. Although it's not correlation, the camera crew had already walked off due to safety concerns.
https://news.yahoo.com/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-193409810.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-narcissism-epidemic/201112/alec-baldwin-its-the-narcissism-again
https://news.yahoo.com/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-193409810.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-narcissism-epidemic/201112/alec-baldwin-its-the-narcissism-again
Alec Baldwin 'Rust' camera crew walked off the set in protest before the fatal shooting
Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of 'Rust,' a half-dozen camera operators walked off the set to protest working conditions.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
Crew member yelled 'cold gun' as he handed Alec Baldwin prop weapon, court document shows.
An assistant director handed Alec Baldwin a prop firearm and yelled "cold gun" before the actor fired and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza, according to a court document.
The "cold gun" remark was meant to indicate that the weapon did not have live rounds, according to an affidavit for a search warrant for the movie set filed by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/23/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-saturday/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_content=2021-10-23T12%3A30%3A07&utm_term=link&fbclid=IwAR3xXX8iNB4wXiAb0tkxGFja_CzWm43n-NCVJZCqxcTYoZv0_h1Na7rjqZ4
An assistant director handed Alec Baldwin a prop firearm and yelled "cold gun" before the actor fired and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza, according to a court document.
The "cold gun" remark was meant to indicate that the weapon did not have live rounds, according to an affidavit for a search warrant for the movie set filed by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/23/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-saturday/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_content=2021-10-23T12%3A30%3A07&utm_term=link&fbclid=IwAR3xXX8iNB4wXiAb0tkxGFja_CzWm43n-NCVJZCqxcTYoZv0_h1Na7rjqZ4
Crew member yelled 'cold gun' as he handed Alec Baldwin prop weapon, court document shows
An assistant director handed Alec Baldwin a prop firearm and yelled "cold gun" before the actor fired and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza, according to a court document.
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SFC Michael Hasbun - Again, CNN is giving a spin on the story. While technically correct, a lot of safety steps were ignored.
From a seasoned prop master:
“Number one, always treat all weapons as if they are loaded — don’t treat them as props,” explains Carpenter, who has worked on such gun-heavy productions as Queen of the South, Power, Jack Reacher: Never Go Back, NCIS: New Orleans and Cloak & Dagger in addition to serving for 11 years as a professional instructor training agencies and stunt performers in how to handle firearms. “Number two, never have your finger on the trigger or pull the trigger until you’re ready to discharge the weapon. Number three, never point the weapon at anything that can be harmed or injured. And number four, always be aware of what’s in front, behind and on all sides of what you’re aiming for.”
Also:
The munitions expert, Carpenter, who was not part of the Rust production, says pointing a weapon directly at the camera or at individuals is something one should never do. “You never aim a weapon directly at anyone, period.”
So let's look at the rules again:
“Number one, always treat all weapons as if they are loaded — don’t treat them as props,”
“Number two, never have your finger on the trigger or pull the trigger until you’re ready to discharge the weapon."
"Number three, never point the weapon at anything that can be harmed or injured."
"And number four, always be aware of what’s in front, behind and on all sides of what you’re aiming for.”
Sounds pretty close to *my* military and civilian training for handling *any* weapon. It is also SOP in the movie industry. I do not understand why you are not for gun safety.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/alec-baldwin-shooting-rust-movie-munitions-experts-gun-safety [login to see] /
From a seasoned prop master:
“Number one, always treat all weapons as if they are loaded — don’t treat them as props,” explains Carpenter, who has worked on such gun-heavy productions as Queen of the South, Power, Jack Reacher: Never Go Back, NCIS: New Orleans and Cloak & Dagger in addition to serving for 11 years as a professional instructor training agencies and stunt performers in how to handle firearms. “Number two, never have your finger on the trigger or pull the trigger until you’re ready to discharge the weapon. Number three, never point the weapon at anything that can be harmed or injured. And number four, always be aware of what’s in front, behind and on all sides of what you’re aiming for.”
Also:
The munitions expert, Carpenter, who was not part of the Rust production, says pointing a weapon directly at the camera or at individuals is something one should never do. “You never aim a weapon directly at anyone, period.”
So let's look at the rules again:
“Number one, always treat all weapons as if they are loaded — don’t treat them as props,”
“Number two, never have your finger on the trigger or pull the trigger until you’re ready to discharge the weapon."
"Number three, never point the weapon at anything that can be harmed or injured."
"And number four, always be aware of what’s in front, behind and on all sides of what you’re aiming for.”
Sounds pretty close to *my* military and civilian training for handling *any* weapon. It is also SOP in the movie industry. I do not understand why you are not for gun safety.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/alec-baldwin-shooting-rust-movie-munitions-experts-gun-safety [login to see] /
Guns, Ammo, Accountability: Hollywood Munitions Experts Grapple With ‘Rust’ Tragedy
Questions swirl about on-set gun safety and who could be at fault after Alec Baldwin shoots prop gun with live rounds, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza.
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