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First and foremos tmy hear breaks for the families of all of those involved and the community where this occurred. This is an absolute tragedy of epic proportions. We need to find out why he picked up a weapon and did this...what made him snap to just kill innocent people. I hoep we find out and maybe we can prevent and head this type of stuff off way before it gets to this level. HOWEVER, AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE "As Ramos moved toward the school, he and law enforcement officers exchanged gunfire, authorities said. Two police officers received non-life-threatening injuries and are out of the hospital, according to Olivarez. “There was several law enforcement that engaged the suspect, but he was able to make entry into the school,” he said. He then barricaded himself in a classroom and opened fire at those inside. All of the 19 children and two teachers killed were in that room, Olivarez said." Cops engaged him and he still got in the school...HOW? As a cop it is your duty to put yourself between the line of fire and the shooter to protect others...AM I WRONG? It is easy to monday morning quarterback this but I would have driven my car into him or barricaded it between him and the school while he was approaching the school and would have died to protect those kids. WOW.
NOW FOR THE POLITICAL SIDE OF THIS:
Not a white supremacist...look away people of the right and mainstream media...nothing to see here...oh wait...come back "GUN CONTROL"!!!! Never let a crisis go to waste!
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According to the reports I have read, he was wearing body armor and was shooting at the school resource officers with a rifle.
The problem with a shooting of this kind, is the shooter has made extensive plans beforehand. He has body armor, sometimes with the rifle rated plates in it, plenty of ammo and weapons.
The officers generally have what they carry every day, pistols, 3 magazines, and may or may not be wearing body armor that is rated for pistols, not rifles.
It was unlikely that the first officers had rifles with them. If they were shooting center mass, the shots would have struck the armor and were not incapacitating.
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MSG (Join to see) - Copy...I am not a cop and like I caveated...monday morning this is easy. Thanks for the clarification. I shouldn't second guess them it just didn't sound right that they couldn't stop him somehow before he got into the school. Not trying to cause a stir or disagreements, just trying to understand.
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth -
I'm sure more information will come out of it.
I've been trained, like most officers have, in active shooter procedures. As soon as you become aware of an active shooter, you try to neutralize the threat. The issue with that is you are using what you have immediately available, and you are seldom in possession of all the information.
A person wearing body armor, particularly one wearing armor rated for stopping rifle bullets, will not normally be affected by pistol bullets unless shot in an unprotected area. This is frequently the head, legs, and arms/hands area which are much harder to hit since they are smaller areas and moving.
The reason officers don't normally wear this type of armor is it is much heavier, bulkier, more difficult to move around in, and can tire or cause the officer to overheat if worn all the time.
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