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As a service member it's easier to feel contempt and scorn rather than pity and sorrow for Afghanistan. Part of you knows there are innocent families that just want to get by, girls who want to learn, women who want to work, men who want to raise families without being under the heel of oppressors. Yet you also know that while our withdrawal was total shit, their people rolled over and accepted it.

The Panjshir Resistance against the Taliban was dead before it started, the Afghan National Army completely capitulated, the government in exile was not supported, and the people either fled out of fear from a returned Taliban or stood there and accepted it.

They are a people who will mourn their losses but will also accept whatever boot that wishes to press on their neck. They are not a people willing to fight for anything better.

So in order to look on and not be broken in knowing that your brothers died there you do not look on in pity. You look on knowing that they allowed this to happen to themselves. No amount of time will change who and what they are, no amount of aid, no amount of education, nothing.

So for the blood of our brothers, and the treasure of our nation they threw it all away so their women and future generations can be eternally abused.
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SFC (Join to see) - You're not wrong, once we pulled intel and air support they were in for a far rougher fight. If we had continued to provide it perhaps they would have continued to fight but even without that support people still expected them to at least resist and the ANA did not with some exception to Panjshir and other small groups.

We will not live this down, it's a stain upon our honor and integrity. The locals of any nation should not trust us going forward whatever the next fight may be. We have proven that politicians will always abandon the fight instead of do what needs to be done or what was promised.
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SPC (Join to see) - I understand the sentiment of people today saying we were there long enough. They should stand on there own two feet! The Afghan people have been at war for thousands of years and have had to survive long periods of victory and defeat. To the people who would say were there long enough I respond respectively: you are wrong, and you don’t understand your own Country. How long was it when our Fathers first proposed independence from England to when the Bill of Rights was ratified? What would have happened if the French never came? And consider in those times the ocean was a great time lag for England to respond to our actions. We had the advantage, but in the end if we didn’t have help would we be here today? How long does it take to establish tradition where some of us will fight to the death for our Country no matter what we are facing? I don’t know.
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SFC (Join to see) - Probably 3-5 generation for solid foundation, so 60-100 years. We went through 1 generation, with enough old ones who still remembered the Taliban rule, and before that the Soviets, and before that and so on. Enough to poison the efforts of the young, because the old remember either fighting and losing or living on their knees. It takes time, generations, and support to build real change in a nation. Either than or they have to experience a crushing blow to national identity to force change. Afghanistan has no national identity to damage. People view it as a nation with borders like any other but don't recognized the fractured and separate regions within all with their own history and their own gripes.
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SPC (Join to see) - You know exactly what I'm talking about. It's a poor situation. Their political geographic areas are so splintered you probable need a PhD in Middle East History to begin to understand what happened over there, and more importantly when needs to be done.
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Never underestimate Joe's ability to much things up.
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Joe Biden can truly screw more things up before 6am, than most people can all day long.

I remember us saying that what I was AD.
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This comes to mind, truth.
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100% right! It funny, because out of all the people in the world, BHO probably understands Joe Biden the best.
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