Posted on Aug 30, 2023
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
A QUOTE FROM ANOTHER ARTICLE - "We are sick of this. When will we do something about a problem that is in front of our eyes?
As I watched the coverage following Saturday’s mass shooting in Jacksonville, Florida, I saw the same scenario Americans have seen time and time again.
A deranged young man with a semi-automatic rifle entered a store. Take away that gun and what could that killer have done?
Give him just a knife, a baseball bat — anything else — and he probably would not have had the courage to enter that store. Only that semi-automatic rifle gave him the “courage” to act on his hate.
Sadly, even the Jacksonville sheriff parroted a National Rifle Association line at the news conference — saying that it was not the guns but the shooter’s “ideology of hate” that was the problem. No, sir, it was the guns. The shooter purchased them legally despite several previous episodes of obvious mental distress. We will never be able to predict every shooting, but we can remove those semi-automatic weapons. No American needs one.
Only when those of us who believe these killing machines must be banned speak up, and vote accordingly, will we see a change in this country."
A QUOTE FROM ANOTHER ARTICLE - "We are sick of this. When will we do something about a problem that is in front of our eyes?
As I watched the coverage following Saturday’s mass shooting in Jacksonville, Florida, I saw the same scenario Americans have seen time and time again.
A deranged young man with a semi-automatic rifle entered a store. Take away that gun and what could that killer have done?
Give him just a knife, a baseball bat — anything else — and he probably would not have had the courage to enter that store. Only that semi-automatic rifle gave him the “courage” to act on his hate.
Sadly, even the Jacksonville sheriff parroted a National Rifle Association line at the news conference — saying that it was not the guns but the shooter’s “ideology of hate” that was the problem. No, sir, it was the guns. The shooter purchased them legally despite several previous episodes of obvious mental distress. We will never be able to predict every shooting, but we can remove those semi-automatic weapons. No American needs one.
Only when those of us who believe these killing machines must be banned speak up, and vote accordingly, will we see a change in this country."
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
1SG Cj Grisham - Thank you for your personal, yet meaningless, interpretation. From the same mind that thinks armed robberies are the problem.
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1SG Cj Grisham
MSgt Steve Sweeney - You think the definition of "regulated" as mentioned in the context of the 2nd Amendment is "meaningless?" It's not MY interpretation at all; it's the very words of the founding fathers who wrote it. Killings did not follow the invention or possession of firearms. Firearms followed the advent of killings.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
1SG Cj Grisham - No, YOUR interpretation is meaningless. Don't get it twisted. I am sure the Founding Fathers knew what "well regulated" meant and how to go about well regulating something.
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1SG Cj Grisham
MSgt Steve Sweeney and if you studied history it would be plainly obviously that MY opinion is THEIR opinion. They literally said it. They defined it. They explained it. You're ignoring it.
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LOl at Stewart's last point.... 70% of Mexican gun crimes use US guns......
..... Thanks to Obama and Holder who sold them to the cartels. But we don't say that part.
Stewart also sees the data but draws the wrong conclusion.
California, New York, and Chicago have tough gun laws. And the entire US has tough laws about smuggling, straw purchasing, and illegal gun use. In other words, WE ALRWADY HAVE LAWS to "stop" those guns from ever being used in a crime. And they do not a damn thing, because criminals don't follow laws.
More laws which the criminals will ALSO ignore will not help the situation. There are two ways to drop gun violence: universal armament or universal disarmament. If NO ONE has a gin, gun violence will drop. Of course other violent crime will spike, but at least gun violence will go down. Not go away, because people like cops and private security (politicians have to have armed security, of course - because they are more equal than us) will still have guns. But drop significantly.
Universal armament will likely increase TOTAL gun violence, but significantly drop the death toll. Killing sprees will be ended a lot quicker.
..... Thanks to Obama and Holder who sold them to the cartels. But we don't say that part.
Stewart also sees the data but draws the wrong conclusion.
California, New York, and Chicago have tough gun laws. And the entire US has tough laws about smuggling, straw purchasing, and illegal gun use. In other words, WE ALRWADY HAVE LAWS to "stop" those guns from ever being used in a crime. And they do not a damn thing, because criminals don't follow laws.
More laws which the criminals will ALSO ignore will not help the situation. There are two ways to drop gun violence: universal armament or universal disarmament. If NO ONE has a gin, gun violence will drop. Of course other violent crime will spike, but at least gun violence will go down. Not go away, because people like cops and private security (politicians have to have armed security, of course - because they are more equal than us) will still have guns. But drop significantly.
Universal armament will likely increase TOTAL gun violence, but significantly drop the death toll. Killing sprees will be ended a lot quicker.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
SGT Aaron Atwood SFC Casey O'Mally - Cite your reference. On what are you basing your argument that the word "regulated" had a different meaning in the 18th century? Just saying that it meant something different does not mean what you say is true. I am going to have to see some compelling information that asserts "regulated" meant something different in 1776-1790.
I fully believe the Founding Fathers knew exactly what "regulated" meant, and still means today.
WRT training, I concur. Basic firearm handling and safety. It won't help people much for those that know how to handle a firearm but can't hit their target, or for those that "spray and pray" with their fully or semi-automatic firearm... but what of those people who cannot pass that test? Sure, give them another shot in a month, but until then?
Doesn't really matter though because if you have any legislation that even hints at imposing even the most basic restrictions, a large number of people entirely lose their mind and will spend every ounce of effort to characterize said legislation as something it is not. And the gun lobby has a lot of money to do so.
I fully believe the Founding Fathers knew exactly what "regulated" meant, and still means today.
WRT training, I concur. Basic firearm handling and safety. It won't help people much for those that know how to handle a firearm but can't hit their target, or for those that "spray and pray" with their fully or semi-automatic firearm... but what of those people who cannot pass that test? Sure, give them another shot in a month, but until then?
Doesn't really matter though because if you have any legislation that even hints at imposing even the most basic restrictions, a large number of people entirely lose their mind and will spend every ounce of effort to characterize said legislation as something it is not. And the gun lobby has a lot of money to do so.
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SGT Aaron Atwood
Debunking Jon Stewart's Attack On The 2nd Amendment During Viral Debate With Republican Senator
Jon Stewart 2nd Amendmenthttps://bit.ly/2CHLudtIn a recent viral video being shared proudly by the Gun Control Lobby, Jon Stewart interviewed Oklahoma Republ...
Sure. If youv'e got a little under a half hour to spare, and CN further cites his source for the difference in meaning with time.
https://youtu.be/Snmc_RTzQsc?si=xCzXdPjRIYLGTDRv
https://youtu.be/Snmc_RTzQsc?si=xCzXdPjRIYLGTDRv
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
SFC Casey O'Mally - Of course you are going to link to a NRA resource in the "James Madison Research Library". I expected nothing less. And a Thesaurus is not a dictionary. Regardless, and with acknowledgement of Rosen and Roakove's interpretation, one becomes organized and disciplined through the effective application, recognition, and abidance to rules. Still, I can accept your opinion is based on the interpretation of other people's opinions and you have a logical reason why you reached the conclusion that you have reached.
I still do not accept the false dilemma of "... two ways to drop gun violence: universal armament or universal disarmament." There are ways in between those two stances, but the topic is so hot that I doubt any practical solutions are forthcoming.
The NRA did support gun control legislation in the 60s after the Black Panthers showed up at the State Capitol with their weapons, and they seemed to have a far different perspective of the reading of the 2nd Amendment. Perhaps the language has changed more in 60 years than it has in 200.
https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act
I still do not accept the false dilemma of "... two ways to drop gun violence: universal armament or universal disarmament." There are ways in between those two stances, but the topic is so hot that I doubt any practical solutions are forthcoming.
The NRA did support gun control legislation in the 60s after the Black Panthers showed up at the State Capitol with their weapons, and they seemed to have a far different perspective of the reading of the 2nd Amendment. Perhaps the language has changed more in 60 years than it has in 200.
https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act
The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the Weapons | HISTORY
Back in the 1960s, even the NRA supported gun control to disarm the group.
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