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SFC John D.
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MSG Stan Hutchison I see you're on your "The primarily left-wing action is proper and correct and only those on the right would see it as not" kick again. I’m sure if you devour media sources like the far-left Huffington Post, you absolutely believe that, so I’ll use the words of those on the left (or at least neutral) to contradict that baseless claim.

“This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically ‘woke’ and all that stuff. You should get over that quickly. The world is messy, there are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids. And share certain things with you.” - Barack Obama, 2019

I’m bothered by by a trend I see among young people particularly on college campuses where there is this sense that ‘the way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people and that’s enough.’ That’s not activism. That’s not bringing about change.” And ““A lot of the dangers of cancel culture and ‘we’re just going to be condemning people all the time,’ at least among my daughters, they’ll acknowledge that among their peer group or in college campuses, you’ll see people going overboard.” - Barack Obama, 2021

“The rise of “cancel” culture – particularly on the left and particularly on social media – is one of the defining hallmarks of our culture in the post-Obama presidency. Say something wrong, tweet something people disagree with, express an opinion that is surprising or contradicts the established view people have of you, and the demands for you to be fired, de-friended or otherwise driven from the realms of men quickly follow.” – CNN politics

" 'Cancel culture' has become where a private individual who did nothing much wrong, whose life was very heavily impacted by an overzealous social media shaming, is suddenly put into the same basket as a provocateur newspaper columnist" - NPR

47% percent of those polled agree (27% disagree) that “Cancel culture is shaming individuals by publicly spotlighting a mistake”; 42% percent agree (33% disagree) that “Cancel culture is an attack on Americans' freedom of speech”; 38% disagree (35% agree) that “Cancel culture is a way to call out racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.”; and 42% disagree (34% agree) that “Cancel culture is holding individuals accountable for their actions” – Left-wing Think Tank ‘Data For Progress” poll on cancel culture (2022)

64% of respondents said that there is a “growing cancel culture that is a threat to their freedom”; 68% view cancel culture as a big or moderate problem; 54% are concerned that they would be banned or fired if they expressed their opinion on social media; “The public generally gives negative ratings to social media companies and sees the movement as more about censorship rather than trying to correct wrongs. It is growing as a national issue” - Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey (2021) (comment by Mark Penn, director of the survey)

It’s understandable that the left sees this as something that is good and just. Looking at personal friendships, an AEI's Survey Center on American Life, the left is three times as likely to end a friendship over politics and those on the right.

But even the left calls out the left on the shoddy deal your selling.

There is a shortage of lively debate in our ranks as to whether the business of canceling has gone too far, and no organizing effort to reclaim liberalism from the woke mob, just quiet complicity with vague reassurances from the wokest among us that the real perpetrators of cancel culture, the atavists in our midst, as always, are our political enemies. – Daily News
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MSG Stan Hutchison -
Please research before you post something. Cancel culture was not a term devised by the right.
1) one of the earliest uses of the phrase on Twitter came from Myles McNutt, a TV critic and assistant professor at Old Dominion University, who used it in a tweet in February 2014 to refer to the cancellations of TV series.
2) The phrase "cancel culture" experienced notable growth in 2016 and 2017, particularly on Black Twitter, according to research by Insider and reporting by Merriam-Webster and Vox. Insider identified fewer than 100 tweets or threads with the phrase "cancel culture" before 2018.
-Google Trends data indicates that there was almost no search interest in the phrase "cancel culture" until the second half of 2018 and early 2019. The most search interest came in July of this year.
-A series of fleeting cancellations of celebrities including Taylor Swift and Kanye West brought about more discourse. "Almost everyone worth knowing has been canceled by someone," Jonah Engel Bromwich wrote for The Times in June 2018
-The comedian Kevin Hart faced intense online backlash in the fall of 2018 when his homophobic tweets resurfaced after he was chosen to host the 2019 Oscars.
-The idea of cancel culture eventually found its way into mainstream politics. Former President Barack Obama criticized the trend in an interview about youth activism at an Obama Foundation summit in October
-Last month, the columnist Bari Weiss wrote in a resignation letter announcing her departure from The Times that "Twitter has become its ultimate editor." She later described cancel culture as "social murder."
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Great post. Thanks fir all the good statistics.
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MSG (Join to see) Thanks for the history lesson.
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SFC John D.
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MSG Stan Hutchison - Actually, your reference was not "that the term 'Cancel culture' is a term devised by the right", it was "A term devised by the right as a means of supporting some bad issues under the guise of Freedom of Speech."

THAT is what I was responding to. If someone does or says something wrong, by all means you should counter it with information showing otherwise. You are absolutely correct that words can be harmful.

However, that is vastly different than "cancel culture", which is not "a term devised by the right as a means of supporting some bad issues under the guise of Freedom of Speech."

If you think something is factually untrue, provide information refuting it. However, cancel culture doesn't do that.

Cancel culture culture is "your words need to be shut down because they don't agree with mine!"

Cancel culture overboard is "YOU need to have your life destroyed because I don't agree with what you said!"
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SPC Lyle Montgomery
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All of this gen Z bullshit makes me glad that I'm an old fart and that my children are grown. I lived a good life and believe in God and the hereafter so I could care less what gen Z brats think of me. I sure don't have a good opinion of a lot of them.
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Up until recently I supervised a lot of them. The ones who had an entitlement mentality are the most difficult. Like most age groups there is good and bad in all of them, just like us.
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Maj William W. 'Bill' Price
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SFC (Join to see) I was in fact pleasantly surprised - twice! 1) an accurately titled article and 2) a young voice with common sense. I hope it is contagious.
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We can hope. Maybe there is still hope. :)
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