Posted on Nov 21, 2024
Women in combat ‘proficient,’ SecDef says, dismissing calls for change
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Women in combat ‘proficient,’ SecDef says, dismissing calls for change
MY SAY: They are both right. I believe that given the opportunity in segregated units, all women combat arms forces could rival any all-male unit on earth.
MY SAY: They are both right. I believe that given the opportunity in segregated units, all women combat arms forces could rival any all-male unit on earth.
Women in combat ‘proficient,’ SecDef says, dismissing calls for change
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The only people that have tried it in the real world are the Soviets and the Israelis. The Israelis have tried it twice and have backed off twice. They backed off because the average performance of female infantry units were at the bottom of their male counterparts and the injury rate was more than double the rate of male soldiers. The US Army sees that even in basic training units. Combat Arms takes endurance and strength. Men as a whole are stronger, faster and have better endurance. It looks like Lea Thompson would have driven that point home. A mediocre male swimmer becomes world class by changing his "gender".
The purpose of the Army is to win wars. In the modern military, there are lots of positions that females are more than capable of handling. Combat Arms isn't one of them.
As an example, the implementation of the ACFT wasn't stopped because of the failure rate of Male Soldiers. Even when doing away with the MOS ranked scoring, female soldiers were failing at a rate that kept them out of very jobs they wanted to open. The Army tried a very similar PT test in the late 80's and it didn't get beyond the testing stages for the same reason, the pass rate for women sucked.
The purpose of the Army is to win wars. In the modern military, there are lots of positions that females are more than capable of handling. Combat Arms isn't one of them.
As an example, the implementation of the ACFT wasn't stopped because of the failure rate of Male Soldiers. Even when doing away with the MOS ranked scoring, female soldiers were failing at a rate that kept them out of very jobs they wanted to open. The Army tried a very similar PT test in the late 80's and it didn't get beyond the testing stages for the same reason, the pass rate for women sucked.
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Why "in segregated units"?
That did not work in the WAC. (I know, I married one)
That did not work in the WAC. (I know, I married one)
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
LOL! Well, here's an example of an effective all female unit. https://greydynamics.com/jegertroppen-norways-all-female-special-operation-forces/
Jegertroppen: Norway's All Female Special Operation Forces
The Jegertroppen is the first all-female military special forces unit in the world and is part of the Norwegian Special Operation Forces.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
MAJ Montgomery Granger - Thanks, but that is in Norway, not the US military. As I posted, we had 36 years of a segregated Army and the female soldiers were still treated as second-class troops. It took integration to bring them up to equality. (not sure they are accepted as equal yet)
Let's not go backward.
Let's not go backward.
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
MAJ Montgomery Granger MSG Stan Hutchison CPT Lawrence Cable SPC Joseph Kopac SSgt Richard Kensinger SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA If you read the "Norway's All Female Special Operations" article carefully, you will note that female Special Operations is not the same as male Special Operations. Also it is oriented to urban area surveillance and reconnaissance. They can go into places where men are forbidden to go... It is not a direct Special Operations Combat organization.
The women's Jegertroppen is one of the three platoons in the Training Wing at NORSOC. Beyond Jegertroppen, the Training Wing is host to the Fallskjermjegertroppen (Paratrooper Platoon) and the more advanced second-year education for SOF operators. Although Fallskjermjegertroppen permitted women entry in 1985, few have endured the rigorous selection process, and none have succeeded as of yet.
Exponents in this field suggest that the creation of Jegertroppen was not only borne out of a necessity for female presence in SOF, but also affords women a training pathway with which to later join either the FSK or Marinejegerkommandoen (MJK) after their tenuresurveillance and reconnaissance in urban areas.
NORSOC maintains that targeted women eligible for military service should compete with each-other, rather than with their male counterparts. According to an instructor in NORSOC: “It should be self-evident that basically no women can be evaluated fairly when competing in the same selection process with the fittest men through several weeks of physical trials.”
The women's Jegertroppen is one of the three platoons in the Training Wing at NORSOC. Beyond Jegertroppen, the Training Wing is host to the Fallskjermjegertroppen (Paratrooper Platoon) and the more advanced second-year education for SOF operators. Although Fallskjermjegertroppen permitted women entry in 1985, few have endured the rigorous selection process, and none have succeeded as of yet.
Exponents in this field suggest that the creation of Jegertroppen was not only borne out of a necessity for female presence in SOF, but also affords women a training pathway with which to later join either the FSK or Marinejegerkommandoen (MJK) after their tenuresurveillance and reconnaissance in urban areas.
NORSOC maintains that targeted women eligible for military service should compete with each-other, rather than with their male counterparts. According to an instructor in NORSOC: “It should be self-evident that basically no women can be evaluated fairly when competing in the same selection process with the fittest men through several weeks of physical trials.”
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