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Lt Col Charlie Brown
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If you have children with any illnesses or medical disorders, you should have them immunized. Measles can be deadly for those children or adults. I do think we try to push too many vaccinations on our children in too short a timeframe and that may have some repercussions for their health. Parents need to be empowered to discuss this with their children's doctors.
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
SGM Jeff Mccloud
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I agree, if a parent has concerns about early vaccinations, they should address all of those concerns with a doctor, or two doctors, or several.

I don't think a parent should address those concerns by referring to Facebook reels or memes or a podcaster.
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MSG Billy Brumfield
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"Folksy home remedies and conspiracy theories" seem to have done very well before the vaccine was even available.
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
SGM Jeff Mccloud
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Not sure which facebook meme your "data" is from, so I just went with this
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MSG Billy Brumfield
MSG Billy Brumfield
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SGM Jeff Mccloud - I attach a graph of measles mortality from the Office for National Statistics 20th Century mortality statistics.
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
SGM Jeff Mccloud
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MSG Billy Brumfield - Yes, I understand that your graph from the ONS charting only deaths from measles from only England and Wales does little to compare total cases per 100K or total deaths per 100K in the US in the 20th century, or when the vax was first widely available in the US.

While your chart shows that improved nutrition, hygiene and medical care in England and Wales contributed to more total people surviving measles, it still doesn't show total cases, nor does it show how 25% of those who survived that suffered permanent neurological damage, ranging from motor deficits like paraplegia, to seizure disorders, and deafness, to intellectual disability, all good reasons to vax against measles.
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AN Ron Wright
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How about just deporting all the illegals. Who brought it back to the states

I remember growing up. If a kid had measles or chicken pox. Parents used to make us rub bellies to make sure we got it. Home remedies and then Aquire natural immunity
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MSG Billy Brumfield
MSG Billy Brumfield
10 mo
SGM Jeff Mccloud - There are some significant side effects of the vaccine as well, such as death. They wouldn't be exposed to the measles nearly as much if the illegals weren't gathered up and rustled into the country. I mean, looking for a better life.
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
SGM Jeff Mccloud
10 mo
MSG Billy Brumfield - And what, exactly, is the statistical rate of significant side effects and death from the MMR vaccine?
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MSG Billy Brumfield
MSG Billy Brumfield
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SGM Jeff Mccloud - from 2003 - 2013 there were 7 deaths in the US from the vaccine. How many deaths were there from the infection during that time period?
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
SGM Jeff Mccloud
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MSG Billy Brumfield - Oddly enough, also 7 during that time frame.

However, given an average 83% vaccination rate, we can determine that 7 out of 33M immunized died of (maybe) the immunization which is about a 0.00002% rate, whereas 7 reported deaths out of 994 reported cases of measles, or 0.7% of infections, well even high school math will tell you what the higher risk is.
Even if you want to go with the total risk of just the total of not getting the vax to dying from measles, well even that is 0.0001%, even that is 5 times more likely than dying (maybe) from the shot.

So, statistically, you're better off trusting real science over folksy home remedies or some stupid podcast or meme, even if you're somehow convinced that all science is the dark, mystical arts and the world is flat.
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