Posted on May 2, 2019
Army's New Promotion System Could Mean Separations for Some Soldiers
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Does anybody have any insights (or opinions) about the changes being made to the NCO promotion system?
This article doesn't provide a whole lot of detail, but I don't see any sign of softening the "up or out" doctrine.
This article doesn't provide a whole lot of detail, but I don't see any sign of softening the "up or out" doctrine.
Army's New Promotion System Could Mean Separations for Some Soldiers
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These articles focus the highlight on the negative effects of the plan, it should emphasize the potential to promote the most talented which in theory means increased lethality and survivability on the battlefield.
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Okay, First, I believe a soldier should be required to perform their job and That they should follow the orders of those appointed to a superior rank. Still, when you say you must do X or you will be done, it is up or out. Now, I retired a long time ago, but even then the Army instituted and "up or out" policy. If you don't get promoted you were going to be forced out. E-4 could to 10 years, E-5 could to 12 E-5 promotable could do 16 and an E-6 could do 20. Promotion points were set to limit promotion to needs of the Army. Getting promoted in some MOS's there were minimal points required some 450. Other MOS, like mine, were a bit stiffer. I made E-6 with 966 points. I saw good soldiers who did their jobs well, but alas, couldn't meet the cutoff scores for their MOS and were forced out. The Army lost their experience and had to replace them with a younger, less knowledgeable, less experienced recruit. Regardless of how they sugar coat it, it is move up or get out.
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It's not up or out. It's separation for Soldiers who refuse to complete their SSD. By failing to complete SSD they are ineligible to compete. If they are ineligible for two boards in a row, they are separated. This is just an extension of the 8K HQDA bar for failure to complete SSD. It also applies to NCOs who decline consideration for the board.
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1LT William Clardy I'm not sure who that is, but in this case it's not about fly qualified, it's about being eligible to compete for promotion. Which all sounds like a lot of word games, actually.
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1LT William Clardy
According to the article, he's the "personnel policy integrator for noncommissioned officer professional development with the Army G-1". Also, I didn't notice that he's also apparently a *retired* sergeant major, which makes mentioning his military rank when he's actually a civil servant seem even odder.
But I agree with you, SFC (Join to see), somebody is definitely playing word games to avoid saying it's still "up or out". To quote the article:
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Once a soldier is found "not fully qualified" by a board a second time in the same grade, the Army will set a mandatory separation date six months in the future, according to the release.
"There is a place for everybody in the Army as long as you are performing," retired Sgt. Maj. Gerald Purcell.[...] "At the point when it is determined that you are not contributing to the team and essentially [just] drawing a paycheck, then we're going to inform you that your service is at risk. If it continues ... then we are going to tell you your tenure with the Army is over"
But I agree with you, SFC (Join to see), somebody is definitely playing word games to avoid saying it's still "up or out". To quote the article:
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Once a soldier is found "not fully qualified" by a board a second time in the same grade, the Army will set a mandatory separation date six months in the future, according to the release.
"There is a place for everybody in the Army as long as you are performing," retired Sgt. Maj. Gerald Purcell.[...] "At the point when it is determined that you are not contributing to the team and essentially [just] drawing a paycheck, then we're going to inform you that your service is at risk. If it continues ... then we are going to tell you your tenure with the Army is over"
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1LT William Clardy I agree. The first time I read about this it sounded like up or out. I knew there was no way the force could lose that many NCOs at once so I dug into the actual message. The Army needs to do a better job of announcing new policy in laymen terms
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This promotion sounds like a version of the current Officer promotions but instead with PME being a major focus.
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