Posted on Jul 26, 2017
BREAKING: President Trump says transgender people won’t be allowed in military ‘in any capacity’...
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This will create havoc, until the details are published regarding the logic behind the recommendations. Many policies established over the past eight years were pure PC and did nothing to add to our mission readiness or lethality.
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There's no intelligent conversation to be had. All that there is is the fact that gender dysphoria is a mental illness and that the people that suffer from it are at a considerably greater risk of suicide. There are enough problems with people suffering from mental illness slipping under the radar and into the military. We don't need to knowingly let people suffering from a mental illness, who are at a greater risk at attempting and/or committing suicide, in.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff , so you're saying that the almost 50% suicide rate in that demographic is simply due to rejection and bullying? I call BS on that because those are both things that myself and many others have dealt with for a lifetime and we're still here. The difference between us and them is that we're not mentally ill.
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SSG Robert Webster
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - "They do it because of how society treats them. Do you think they would kill themselves if they got acceptance and support? No they wouldn't." Then why are there "22" veterans AND service members 'per day' committing suicide? Isn't today's current society the one that keeps up with the mantra of "Thank you for your service?" So which is it, they commit suicide because the are treated badly or because they are treated well? Oh, wait a minute, it happens on both ends of the spectrum. Which in that case make your argument invalid.
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SSG Robert Webster
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - Not ignorant on the subject, just pointing out the fallacies in your statement.
You stated that one group commits suicide because of "how society treats them" and you state it as a truism. I pointed out that a different group commits suicide despite "how society treats them."
Another item is your banal derision associated with the reference to the '22 a day' statement; though inaccurate it does serve a point. What is interesting is that maybe you should read up on the subject yourself and instead of using the same 'old' argument' base your argument on the latest reports that are twice as comprehensive as the earlier one. The lead up in one of the most recent story (news article) is that (oh wait for it (disdainful)) - approximately 20 a day. "Roughly 20 veterans a day commit suicide nationwide, according to new data from the Department of Veterans Affairs — a figure that dispels the often quoted, but problematic, "22 a day" estimate yet solidifies the for the problem and replaces it with an equally disturbing mental health crisis the number implied." (I wonder what solidify and equally disturbing mean?)
So get off of your hobby horse and quite calling people ignorant, because they do not necessarily agree with you.
You stated that one group commits suicide because of "how society treats them" and you state it as a truism. I pointed out that a different group commits suicide despite "how society treats them."
Another item is your banal derision associated with the reference to the '22 a day' statement; though inaccurate it does serve a point. What is interesting is that maybe you should read up on the subject yourself and instead of using the same 'old' argument' base your argument on the latest reports that are twice as comprehensive as the earlier one. The lead up in one of the most recent story (news article) is that (oh wait for it (disdainful)) - approximately 20 a day. "Roughly 20 veterans a day commit suicide nationwide, according to new data from the Department of Veterans Affairs — a figure that dispels the often quoted, but problematic, "22 a day" estimate yet solidifies the for the problem and replaces it with an equally disturbing mental health crisis the number implied." (I wonder what solidify and equally disturbing mean?)
So get off of your hobby horse and quite calling people ignorant, because they do not necessarily agree with you.
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How about from the President's own mouth? It's a terrible and awful policy decision to disown our currently serving Transgender Servicemembers.
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