Posted on Jun 18, 2017
Chelsea Manning says she didn't think her leaks would threaten national security
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While I in no way endorse Chelsea Manning's behavior while in uniform, I wonder what you may think and how you may feel about her efforts to come clean through confession in court, to be open with a media that has the potential to destroy her life forever, and to make the best of her new life after emerging from seven years forced sobriety and rehabilitation in the federal prison at leavenworth? Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
UPDATE: I find it remarkable the number of people who have no respect or regard for the outcome of our courts of original jurisdiction and appellate processes - where all of the evidence was heard and Manning's sentence was determined. The number of people who want to imprison for life or immediately execute her based in some brief media reports without understanding the details of the case and/or because they heard negative comments in rumors from people who went through basic with her - is beyond truly astonishing.
UPDATE: I find it remarkable the number of people who have no respect or regard for the outcome of our courts of original jurisdiction and appellate processes - where all of the evidence was heard and Manning's sentence was determined. The number of people who want to imprison for life or immediately execute her based in some brief media reports without understanding the details of the case and/or because they heard negative comments in rumors from people who went through basic with her - is beyond truly astonishing.
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Someone will have to explain to me first, what does my "opinion" matter? It has nothing to do with me. If this person violated the law, I don't care who they are, what lifestyle they adopt, or any other box in which they may fit (race, religion, gender, nationality, et al) Justice is blind (or it should be)
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CPT Jack Durish
1LT Sandy Annala - I keep getting these notices that someone is responding to my comment on your discussion thread. It turns out that they have nothing to do with me. You merely transferred your dialogue to me. Thanks but I really don't need the points...
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CPT Jack Durish - Uh . . . OK? Any suggestions for how to undo the transfer??? Sandy :)
Cpl Charles Doyle
under the jail for treason
CSM William DeWolf
ABSOLUTELY! No brain, No pain or No pain, No brain!!
"Chelsea Manning says she didn't think her leaks would threaten national security"
That implies level of ignorance not likely possible from someone that worked in the intelligence field.
So the more likely reality is she is lying because she got caught... Or self disillusion as she attempts to justify what she did as she can not mentally handle the truth.
She is a criminal.
She should have served her entire sentence.
Her claim of remorse falls on deaf ears, this was not a one time "opps" in a drunken "good idea at the time" This was repeated leaks of highly classified data that any reasonable person, never mind a Sm in the intelligence field should have known was dangerous and harmful to release.
1LT Sandy Annala "While I in no way endorse Chelsea Manning's behavior while in uniform"
The tone of your post implies differently. Your welcome to post words that say you don't condone her actions however I think many read the whole of your post and feel otherwise.
No different than the cop that writes you a speeding ticket for 67 in a 65 and says "Have a nice day" after the encounter ... We all know his words were incongruent with his mindset.
Warmest Regards, Erik:)
That implies level of ignorance not likely possible from someone that worked in the intelligence field.
So the more likely reality is she is lying because she got caught... Or self disillusion as she attempts to justify what she did as she can not mentally handle the truth.
She is a criminal.
She should have served her entire sentence.
Her claim of remorse falls on deaf ears, this was not a one time "opps" in a drunken "good idea at the time" This was repeated leaks of highly classified data that any reasonable person, never mind a Sm in the intelligence field should have known was dangerous and harmful to release.
1LT Sandy Annala "While I in no way endorse Chelsea Manning's behavior while in uniform"
The tone of your post implies differently. Your welcome to post words that say you don't condone her actions however I think many read the whole of your post and feel otherwise.
No different than the cop that writes you a speeding ticket for 67 in a 65 and says "Have a nice day" after the encounter ... We all know his words were incongruent with his mindset.
Warmest Regards, Erik:)
SGM Erik Marquez
SSG Stephen Hurst - I think its too different things..
In respect to manning and his actions that did not result in separation "fall though the cracks" might very well be accurate.
Accession standards lowered in times of need is something different.
I've been researching Manning's issues in BCT.. Not really finding "security" issues..
Though if the reports from fellow service members are to be believed, a entry level separation (ELS) for failure to adapt should have been fairly easy.....unless the command was pressured to retain all but the very worst and those that went AWOL>
As a DS 94-97 i can say that ELS was not hard to get done at the beginning of the cycle, but as separations added up for a verity of reasons, be it AWOL, ELS, Medical, fraudulent enlistment, ect.. as the total number of separations went up , new requests for an ELS were scrutinized much closer, rehabilitative transfers to a different platoon were common, new company as well, retention was pushed hard. I did not work in the HQ, did not work with the command group, or their staff, so i have no real insight into what was the cause for the more stringent "standards" to separate an SM or the push to retain at all costs. I can only assume, it was centered around a numbers game, that impacted the command team.. IOW, they were pressured to have a min % graduate and as that number approached, it got harder to separate an SM for "opinion" based reasons (Like failure to adapt) The Command would have no choice on medical issues, AWOL and fraudulent enlistments (drug dependency / prescribed meds that were not allowed under accession medical standards, previous unresolved legal issues, ect) so "optional" separations were simply avoided
In respect to manning and his actions that did not result in separation "fall though the cracks" might very well be accurate.
Accession standards lowered in times of need is something different.
I've been researching Manning's issues in BCT.. Not really finding "security" issues..
Though if the reports from fellow service members are to be believed, a entry level separation (ELS) for failure to adapt should have been fairly easy.....unless the command was pressured to retain all but the very worst and those that went AWOL>
As a DS 94-97 i can say that ELS was not hard to get done at the beginning of the cycle, but as separations added up for a verity of reasons, be it AWOL, ELS, Medical, fraudulent enlistment, ect.. as the total number of separations went up , new requests for an ELS were scrutinized much closer, rehabilitative transfers to a different platoon were common, new company as well, retention was pushed hard. I did not work in the HQ, did not work with the command group, or their staff, so i have no real insight into what was the cause for the more stringent "standards" to separate an SM or the push to retain at all costs. I can only assume, it was centered around a numbers game, that impacted the command team.. IOW, they were pressured to have a min % graduate and as that number approached, it got harder to separate an SM for "opinion" based reasons (Like failure to adapt) The Command would have no choice on medical issues, AWOL and fraudulent enlistments (drug dependency / prescribed meds that were not allowed under accession medical standards, previous unresolved legal issues, ect) so "optional" separations were simply avoided
MCPO Roger Collins
The responsibility and accountability should have flowed up through Manning's leadership, in addition to this warped individual.
SGM Erik Marquez
SSG Stephen Hurst - What Im finding on line about his "Security violations" at AIT so far is he made a video for family where he talked about his day, his training and that he works in a SCIF where classified documents are stored and worked with.
Honesty,.as no classified info was released, Id likely look at that as a teaching point. A young person, excited to tell family and friends about his job in the Army ..inadvertently discussed something that was sensitive, though not classified. As such, no harm done so let him learn from it and move on (with an understanding once is a mistake, a second time is intentional and cause for UCMJ action. ...)
Oblivious when taken with other info at that point, other known discipline issues it should have been cause to take a hard and serious look at his clearance, access and ability to continue serving in the MOS he was going though AIT for.
Process for separation or re class to food services where he has no access to classified info..
Honesty,.as no classified info was released, Id likely look at that as a teaching point. A young person, excited to tell family and friends about his job in the Army ..inadvertently discussed something that was sensitive, though not classified. As such, no harm done so let him learn from it and move on (with an understanding once is a mistake, a second time is intentional and cause for UCMJ action. ...)
Oblivious when taken with other info at that point, other known discipline issues it should have been cause to take a hard and serious look at his clearance, access and ability to continue serving in the MOS he was going though AIT for.
Process for separation or re class to food services where he has no access to classified info..
Ma'am, I honestly don't believe he deserves any accommodations or sympathy. It's not our responsibility to make him a contributing member of society. As far as his lifestyle and sexual orientation choices, I could care less. It's his life. What I do care about is Political correctness weakening our Military.
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