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SSG Orderly Room Ncoic
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Meh, the Army is dabbling in caseless ammunition right now, this isn't anything new. Also, the M4/M16 jams mostly due to operator error, ie; over lubricating (yes, this is a thing) the weapon, not cleaning it properly, improper maintenance, and so on. The M4 is an outstanding rifle, but, with peers who are catching up in munitions and equipment (ie body armor), the Army and Marines are taking long hard look at larger calibers that can penetrate body armor and meet the needs of the military.
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LTC Jeff Shearer
LTC Jeff Shearer
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David thank you for a great summary. I agree the M4 is a great weapon, I am not opposed to a larger caliber, however, that is a double edge sword, Joe has to carry that extra weight. However, I am certainly not opposed. I like it when bad guys die at the thought of being shot.

I know this is an ugly subject nobody likes to talk about but I preached shot placement. An arm is not normally a kill shot, however, when you put that small piece of metal other places it will instantly take the fight out of a bad guy. That is science.
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SSG Orderly Room Ncoic
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LTC Jeff Shearer - That's the nice thing about caseless, it reduces the weight of the munitions, significantly..... 41% lighter.
https://warisboring.com/the-case-for-caseless-telescoped-ammunition/
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SSG Orderly Room Ncoic
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SFC Jack S - sometimes you gotta keep it real, I always remembered a line my leaders would say to me when I had problems with my rifle, "is it the Indian or the Arrow?" ...... 99.9% it's the "Indian."
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SSgt Matt Faust
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Yeah, small unit weaponry is definitely not an area to be cheap in. Good news.
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LTC Jeff Shearer
LTC Jeff Shearer
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Matt could not agree more! No matter what weapon they go with it is imperative for it to become like an extension of your body.
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TSgt David L.
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We need to throw a ton of cash their way and get them up to speed. I guess the wild card is what rifle will they get? Talk is a 6.5 or 6.8 offering. That narrows it down, and my assumption is still an M-16/M-4 platform. The 6.5 CM likes a LOOOONG barrel, so it can't be a carbine and reach out to 1,000m. I hoped that the M-27 was going to be the ticket but it's still 5.56mm, so practically the same capability as the M-4 at a large chunk of change.
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