Posted on Aug 31, 2022
DOJ says Trump team likely 'concealed and removed' classified docs at Mar-a-Lago
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DOJ says Trump team likely 'concealed and removed' classified docs at Mar-a-Lago
MY SAY: This has become a perpetual game of cat and mouse. It is ridiculous. He said, he said. The FBI can't get out of its own way trying to find a man guilty before he's charged.
MY SAY: This has become a perpetual game of cat and mouse. It is ridiculous. He said, he said. The FBI can't get out of its own way trying to find a man guilty before he's charged.
DOJ says Trump team likely 'concealed and removed' classified docs at Mar-a-Lago
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The responses from the Trump supporters here are amazing. Every denial and diversion they can think of.
But none with FACTS!
But none with FACTS!
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MSG Roy Cheever
The fact is, this is an ongoing smear of Trump and those who believe that America can become great again!
The left wants the power and ability to make us a socialist or communist nation, as opposed to our representative government of the people in this Federal Republic.
The left wants the power and ability to make us a socialist or communist nation, as opposed to our representative government of the people in this Federal Republic.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
MSG Roy Cheever 2 h
The fact is, this is an ongoing smear of Trump and those who believe that America can become great again!
The left wants the power and ability to make us a socialist or communist nation, as opposed to our representative government of the people in this Federal Republic.
--- The facts are he had TS/SCI material in his private home, unsecured, that he wasn't authorized to have. Period. Those are the facts.
When was America great? Tell me when was the period in the US that it was "great" that you're trying to get back to? I'm curious about when was America ever "great?"
There you go with "ComMunISm" and "SoCiAlISm" boogeyman words that you likely hvae no idea what they mean.
I can't believe you think it's okay a former President STOLE highly classified material or that when he was President he GAVE classified info to foreign governments that he wasn't allowed to share.
The fact is, this is an ongoing smear of Trump and those who believe that America can become great again!
The left wants the power and ability to make us a socialist or communist nation, as opposed to our representative government of the people in this Federal Republic.
--- The facts are he had TS/SCI material in his private home, unsecured, that he wasn't authorized to have. Period. Those are the facts.
When was America great? Tell me when was the period in the US that it was "great" that you're trying to get back to? I'm curious about when was America ever "great?"
There you go with "ComMunISm" and "SoCiAlISm" boogeyman words that you likely hvae no idea what they mean.
I can't believe you think it's okay a former President STOLE highly classified material or that when he was President he GAVE classified info to foreign governments that he wasn't allowed to share.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - Here comers the denial and diversion. That is all the Trumplicans have.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
Facts?
DoJ says it is "likely" Trump did the latest scary deed.
Translation: We don't have any actual evidence, but we don't want to waste a chance to smear Trump's name.
I am *not* saying Trump didn't hide stuff. I am saying that criticizing a lack of facts while defending DoJ's own fact-less accusations is ridiculous.
DoJ says it is "likely" Trump did the latest scary deed.
Translation: We don't have any actual evidence, but we don't want to waste a chance to smear Trump's name.
I am *not* saying Trump didn't hide stuff. I am saying that criticizing a lack of facts while defending DoJ's own fact-less accusations is ridiculous.
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The distrust of our institutions shown on his thread can very possibly bring about the end of our Republic.
Very sad.
Very sad.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
SFC Casey O'Mally - I don't believe that. I believe it was always there with some folks, and Trump pushed it with his "fake news" BS. He constantly denigrates any agency that has not bowed down to him. And even some that have.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
MSG Stan Hutchison We have public servants in just about every institution who have decided to become public speakers. Yes, to include the military.
When that happens, the public's faith in the institutions those public servants work for erodes. If Gen Smith or Deputy Director Johnson or Doctor Jones decide that serving the public means publicly endorsing or vilifying a political candidate - or worse, decide that public service is a means to personal gain - then it is understandable that people are turned off.
The spotlight is harsh. Very few can stand up to both the heat and the ability to expose even minor flaws. Currently it is the DoJ in the spotlight - and they are not faring well. Before that it was Fauci and Health. Before that it was Defense, State, ATF, Education, USPS, CIA, NSA, Homeland Security, and/or HUD. Each has had their turn, and none have walked away clean.
And the last few Press Secretaries - under both Trump and Biden - have only made matters worse with their lies, spin, and/or refusal to answer legitimate questions.
It used to be that we knew there were occasional bad apples. But we trusted the institutions AS INSTITUTIONS to mean well and try to do right. Admit mistakes, hold bad apples accountable, and have a commitment to serve. And I honestly believe the rank and file still fit this mold. But the leadership has gotten too political. They refuse to admit when they screw up - even when we can all SEE that they screwed up. If they absolutely cannot deny something went wrong, then it is immediately shifted to someone else for blame. It isn't even finding a patsy down the chain somewhere, it is finger pointing at everyone else in a big ol' circle of "not my fault." Point in case, the Afghanistan drone strike during the withdrawal. No accountability- not even a true apology. Just a "whoopsie."
This isn't about Trump or because of him. Yes, he exacerbates the problem. But the rot has been there for a while now.
When that happens, the public's faith in the institutions those public servants work for erodes. If Gen Smith or Deputy Director Johnson or Doctor Jones decide that serving the public means publicly endorsing or vilifying a political candidate - or worse, decide that public service is a means to personal gain - then it is understandable that people are turned off.
The spotlight is harsh. Very few can stand up to both the heat and the ability to expose even minor flaws. Currently it is the DoJ in the spotlight - and they are not faring well. Before that it was Fauci and Health. Before that it was Defense, State, ATF, Education, USPS, CIA, NSA, Homeland Security, and/or HUD. Each has had their turn, and none have walked away clean.
And the last few Press Secretaries - under both Trump and Biden - have only made matters worse with their lies, spin, and/or refusal to answer legitimate questions.
It used to be that we knew there were occasional bad apples. But we trusted the institutions AS INSTITUTIONS to mean well and try to do right. Admit mistakes, hold bad apples accountable, and have a commitment to serve. And I honestly believe the rank and file still fit this mold. But the leadership has gotten too political. They refuse to admit when they screw up - even when we can all SEE that they screwed up. If they absolutely cannot deny something went wrong, then it is immediately shifted to someone else for blame. It isn't even finding a patsy down the chain somewhere, it is finger pointing at everyone else in a big ol' circle of "not my fault." Point in case, the Afghanistan drone strike during the withdrawal. No accountability- not even a true apology. Just a "whoopsie."
This isn't about Trump or because of him. Yes, he exacerbates the problem. But the rot has been there for a while now.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
SFC Casey O'Mally - I find it interesting that many, if not most, of those you listed have been the targets of conservatives for a long while.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
MSG Stan Hutchison I'm sorry, is there a government entity that has been targeted by liberals that I left off?
Small-government conservatives will always be the quickest to point out government overreach and malfeasance. And big-government liberals will be slow to condemn these "needed" institutions. That doesn't mean that what the conservatives are saying is wrong, or that pointing out the missteps is necessarily a partisan action (although it mot definitely *can* be). On top of this, bureaucrats, especially politically minded ones, tend to do what it takes to protect their fiefdoms, which would include discrediting attacks against them, shifting blame, and/or counter-attacking. But this does not necessarily mean that the agencies are actually blameless (although it certainly *can*).
DoD has only recently started coming under fire - and the outspoken "leaders" have only recently started speaking out, at least in a partisan manner.
Same for FBI and NSA. They were the darlings of the conservatives right up until President Obama. And there was DEFINITE politicization at the top, there, during that administration.
And again for Fauci. He was the head of NIAID for 38 years. All of a sudden during Trump's administration, he became a public figure, constantly criticizing the President, and pushing Democrat wet-dream control tactics. He was not a target of Conservatives until he came out as a partisan hack. Almost no one had anything bad to say during SARS, the smallpox scare, the HIV epidemic in the 80s, (yes, he has been around that long) or myriad other outbreaks he was in charge for.
Small-government conservatives will always be the quickest to point out government overreach and malfeasance. And big-government liberals will be slow to condemn these "needed" institutions. That doesn't mean that what the conservatives are saying is wrong, or that pointing out the missteps is necessarily a partisan action (although it mot definitely *can* be). On top of this, bureaucrats, especially politically minded ones, tend to do what it takes to protect their fiefdoms, which would include discrediting attacks against them, shifting blame, and/or counter-attacking. But this does not necessarily mean that the agencies are actually blameless (although it certainly *can*).
DoD has only recently started coming under fire - and the outspoken "leaders" have only recently started speaking out, at least in a partisan manner.
Same for FBI and NSA. They were the darlings of the conservatives right up until President Obama. And there was DEFINITE politicization at the top, there, during that administration.
And again for Fauci. He was the head of NIAID for 38 years. All of a sudden during Trump's administration, he became a public figure, constantly criticizing the President, and pushing Democrat wet-dream control tactics. He was not a target of Conservatives until he came out as a partisan hack. Almost no one had anything bad to say during SARS, the smallpox scare, the HIV epidemic in the 80s, (yes, he has been around that long) or myriad other outbreaks he was in charge for.
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