Earth’s obliquity and temperature over the last 20,000 years

SGT Richard H. Those idiots who proclaim the science is settled are morons and I am sick of these people. More to come. Thanks as well.

One of the vexing issues for me are the claims that something here is settled. Given that position, Einstein, Newton and Tesla should have just given up. Einstein was dubious of his own claims and any good scientist is. They are not political in the larger sense because there are clues that cannot be retrofitted to idealogues.

Let's take the current discussion with Hurricane Matthew. Matthew is moving slightly east of North was being predicted. Yesterday the NHC considered the UKMET as being an Outlier, because of the forecast being more westerly (which it was). During the evening and towards midnight, the Minimum Central Pressure drop to 934mb. That was a preciptous drop and not only was it stronger, but was more Westerly as the UKMET WAS predicting.. It is easy in hindsight to make predictions or to glom onto certain data, using anecdotal information as being proof any thing. Like snowfall in winter. Complex factors such as Arctic Oscillation, in the negative phase and Miller-B climate types. Where do we get most data? That's right weather reporting and subsequent airmas characteristics.

There are 70 plus models and the ability to sort out forcing is a complex issue Secondly, the implications are that the atmosphere is less that sensitive than opined to be, meaning that the forcing and feedback are or may be wrong, with regards to AGW. And variables like SST mixing with airmasses suggest that source regions may be more influenced by other factors than the man-made kind. These include mixing from volcanics, shifting techtonic plates and very complicated vertical profiles. Meaning the Earth has the ability to filter out that forcing as we go higher and higher in the atmosphere, where these variables are adjusted for. One example is the Thermosphere and its wide variances. The relative lack of particles can be absorbed. Acting as a buffer. In perspective, change may be more influenced by inclination and proximity to other masses. We CANNOT control plate techtonics and volcanoes.

The Nexus between what is known and what is speculated to be, is far too wide in making the claim of mankind being more responsible that we really. And do not forget, that the IPCC is alloted money, lots of money, to get the desired result of some elusive conclusions. SP5 Mark Kuzinski SGT Richard H.

SSgt (Join to see) - Just to grab on to one line in the hurricane discussion: "It is easy in hindsight to make predictions or to glom onto certain data"....in the case of currently active or recent weather patterns, sure it's easy. What's not so easy is to extrapolate anecdotal information from weather patterns that happened tens(or even hundreds) of thousands of years ago, especially considering that weather records have been kept for what? 130 years+-? People talk about the current patterns being the "hottest on record" when, in fact they aren't even the hottest recorded in a century, let alone the hundreds of thousands of years that are an educated guess, at best.

That is why I say that this "consensus" is a bunch of hooey. Thanks Richard SGT Richard H.