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‘Enron-level scandal’: CDC reports just 6% of COVID-19 deaths occurred in people without comorbidities
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has quietly published information indicating that just 6 percent of victims who died from COVID-19 had no other co-morbidities, highly suggesting the disease is far less lethal to healthy people.
And if that’s the case, then the total U.S. coronavirus death count is likely way overblown, according to investigative reporter Jordan Schachtel, who uncovered the information and posted it online.
“The chatter circulating social media is accurate: CDC has reported that only 6% of COVID-19 deaths in the United States occurred in people w/out any comorbidities. Remember, the real # is significantly lower, given US standard for recording COVID deaths,” Schachtel wrote in a Twitter thread with a link to the health agency’s page containing the information, as well as a screenshot.
“Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19),” the CDC web page says.
“For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death,” it adds.
“We already know that thousands of people in the US who died of completely unrelated circumstances have been listed as COVID deaths. If they had no preconditions, they could be listed in this 6%,” Schachtel continued. Conclusion: If you’re healthy & in shape, COVID-19 is not at all a threat to you.
“There is no doubt we are wildly over counting COVID deaths. Something more accurate would be closer to Germany’s standard. By that standard, we’d have around 30k COVID deaths, akin to a mild-medium flu season,” he added.
A social media user named Brooke Knight posted additional information on death rates and said that medical billers for hospitals have “known about this the whole time.”
On her Facebook page, she called for an “audit” of Medicare and Medicaid billing:
We need an immediate AUDIT of our Medicare and Medicaid billing of the COVID deaths. Here’s why:
As of 8/8/2020 the CDC reports there are 149,192 Deaths, Week ending 2/1/2020 to 8/8/2020. Deaths with confirmed or PRESUMED COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1
PRESUMED.
If you go onto the CDC website, go to Table 3 under Comorbidities / Cause of Death. Look at the LEFT COLUMN, which will detail the CONDITIONS they had when they died. The number of COVID Deaths WITH Comorbidities is 145,378.
That means, only 3,814 people died of COVID ALONE, with ZERO other factors. THAT IS IT as reported by the CDC.
In another Twitter post, Knight called the alleged discrepancies an “Enron-level scandal,” referring to the Houston-based energy company that went bankrupt in 2001 after it was revealed the founders hid billions in debt via accounting fraud.
“Medical billing contracts receive 5% for every bill that is issued by the provider. Therefore there’s zero incentive for them to even speak out because Covid tacks on a significant pricing increase for them. But they’ve known about it. This is an Enron-level scandal,” she wrote.
Former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson, who has been tracking the COVID-19 pandemic, said there could be another way to look at the CDC data.
“A lot of people are jumping on the @cdcgov statement just 6% of US #Covid deaths list #Covid alone as the cause. But to use that figure to claim “COVID ONLY KILLED 9,000 AMERICANS” is wrong. Other causes include conditions like pneumonia, which can clearly be Covid-related,” he wrote on Twitter.
“A better way to use the data may be to TAKE OUT causes clearly unrelated to #sarscov2. I’d include Alzheimer’s, sepsis, dementia, cancer, and unintentional injury. (Let’s be conservative and leave off kidney failure, diabetes, obesity, and strokes.),” he added.
“The other advantage of leaving off those conditions is that there is significant overlap in, say, diabetes and obesity (and the CDC reports the average COVID death certificate included 2.6 other conditions). That’s less likely for the conditions I included,” he continued.
“So, okay, the five conditions on my list were on about 50,000 certificates (assuming no double counting). The accidental deaths and poisonings alone were 5,000. Those deaths – at a minimum – are much more likely to fall in the WITH rather than FROM #Covid category,” Berenson wrote.
As of this writing, the ‘official’ COVID-19 death toll has surpassed 183,000 out of about 5.9 million cases.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has quietly published information indicating that just 6 percent of victims who died from COVID-19 had no other co-morbidities, highly suggesting the disease is far less lethal to healthy people.
And if that’s the case, then the total U.S. coronavirus death count is likely way overblown, according to investigative reporter Jordan Schachtel, who uncovered the information and posted it online.
“The chatter circulating social media is accurate: CDC has reported that only 6% of COVID-19 deaths in the United States occurred in people w/out any comorbidities. Remember, the real # is significantly lower, given US standard for recording COVID deaths,” Schachtel wrote in a Twitter thread with a link to the health agency’s page containing the information, as well as a screenshot.
“Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19),” the CDC web page says.
“For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death,” it adds.
“We already know that thousands of people in the US who died of completely unrelated circumstances have been listed as COVID deaths. If they had no preconditions, they could be listed in this 6%,” Schachtel continued. Conclusion: If you’re healthy & in shape, COVID-19 is not at all a threat to you.
“There is no doubt we are wildly over counting COVID deaths. Something more accurate would be closer to Germany’s standard. By that standard, we’d have around 30k COVID deaths, akin to a mild-medium flu season,” he added.
A social media user named Brooke Knight posted additional information on death rates and said that medical billers for hospitals have “known about this the whole time.”
On her Facebook page, she called for an “audit” of Medicare and Medicaid billing:
We need an immediate AUDIT of our Medicare and Medicaid billing of the COVID deaths. Here’s why:
As of 8/8/2020 the CDC reports there are 149,192 Deaths, Week ending 2/1/2020 to 8/8/2020. Deaths with confirmed or PRESUMED COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1
PRESUMED.
If you go onto the CDC website, go to Table 3 under Comorbidities / Cause of Death. Look at the LEFT COLUMN, which will detail the CONDITIONS they had when they died. The number of COVID Deaths WITH Comorbidities is 145,378.
That means, only 3,814 people died of COVID ALONE, with ZERO other factors. THAT IS IT as reported by the CDC.
In another Twitter post, Knight called the alleged discrepancies an “Enron-level scandal,” referring to the Houston-based energy company that went bankrupt in 2001 after it was revealed the founders hid billions in debt via accounting fraud.
“Medical billing contracts receive 5% for every bill that is issued by the provider. Therefore there’s zero incentive for them to even speak out because Covid tacks on a significant pricing increase for them. But they’ve known about it. This is an Enron-level scandal,” she wrote.
Former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson, who has been tracking the COVID-19 pandemic, said there could be another way to look at the CDC data.
“A lot of people are jumping on the @cdcgov statement just 6% of US #Covid deaths list #Covid alone as the cause. But to use that figure to claim “COVID ONLY KILLED 9,000 AMERICANS” is wrong. Other causes include conditions like pneumonia, which can clearly be Covid-related,” he wrote on Twitter.
“A better way to use the data may be to TAKE OUT causes clearly unrelated to #sarscov2. I’d include Alzheimer’s, sepsis, dementia, cancer, and unintentional injury. (Let’s be conservative and leave off kidney failure, diabetes, obesity, and strokes.),” he added.
“The other advantage of leaving off those conditions is that there is significant overlap in, say, diabetes and obesity (and the CDC reports the average COVID death certificate included 2.6 other conditions). That’s less likely for the conditions I included,” he continued.
“So, okay, the five conditions on my list were on about 50,000 certificates (assuming no double counting). The accidental deaths and poisonings alone were 5,000. Those deaths – at a minimum – are much more likely to fall in the WITH rather than FROM #Covid category,” Berenson wrote.
As of this writing, the ‘official’ COVID-19 death toll has surpassed 183,000 out of about 5.9 million cases.
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So now you believe thew CDC, interesting. Only 2% of the 185,000+ died from COVID.
That is amazing what a wonderful thing this president has done, he can coerce and federal agency to say what he wishes!
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/fda-chief-hahn-walks-back-plasma-claims-but-experts-say-correction-wasn-t-accurate
That is amazing what a wonderful thing this president has done, he can coerce and federal agency to say what he wishes!
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/fda-chief-hahn-walks-back-plasma-claims-but-experts-say-correction-wasn-t-accurate
FDA chief Hahn walks back plasma claims, but his correction still missed the mark, experts say
As criticism of the FDA's convalescent plasma authorization mounted Monday, Commissioner Stephen Hahn, M.D., sought to clear the air. But his defense—and his attempt to correct a misplaced statistic—didn't sit well with some experts.
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SSgt (Join to see)
Really?! Better impeach him (again) then!
Or maybe you should *read* the article. Naw. That would take thinking and why think when the MSMs tell you what to think already.
Or maybe you should *read* the article. Naw. That would take thinking and why think when the MSMs tell you what to think already.
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Although this article is accurate, it is not correct.
Yes, only 6% of people who died of COVID ONLY had COVID. But, we are American. We are fat, diabetic, out of shape and unhealthy. It is nearly impossible to get an accurate number on something like this. What we can see, is that SOME areas are at significantly higher risk than other areas, and that is because of mitigation measures.
Busy cities are hot spots, because of the lack of social distancing. Areas like Florida and Texas as well, because the lack of use in mask wearing. COVID does not seem to be a significant threat at all for those below 45 and in good shape.
This is a pretty straight forward situation to handle, but actually implementing it is difficult. Keep your distance. Wear a mask. Separate when symptomatic.
Yes, only 6% of people who died of COVID ONLY had COVID. But, we are American. We are fat, diabetic, out of shape and unhealthy. It is nearly impossible to get an accurate number on something like this. What we can see, is that SOME areas are at significantly higher risk than other areas, and that is because of mitigation measures.
Busy cities are hot spots, because of the lack of social distancing. Areas like Florida and Texas as well, because the lack of use in mask wearing. COVID does not seem to be a significant threat at all for those below 45 and in good shape.
This is a pretty straight forward situation to handle, but actually implementing it is difficult. Keep your distance. Wear a mask. Separate when symptomatic.
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SSgt (Join to see)
Yes. All those things you mentioned were here for the last several decades - long before Covid. I am struggling to see what is not "correct" about the article. Can you clarify?
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SSG Robert Webster
SGT Heller, Interesting, the exact same thing could and can be said about seasonal influenza. It is also interesting that it appears to spread in exactly the same way.
Maybe we should compare the numbers for the flu from 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, or even 30 years ago. I am positive that we could also go back to the 1950s and find the exact same personal hygiene recommendations (minus the mask) in handling an outbreak of this nature, though they did not recommend overall social distancing.
Maybe we should compare the numbers for the flu from 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, or even 30 years ago. I am positive that we could also go back to the 1950s and find the exact same personal hygiene recommendations (minus the mask) in handling an outbreak of this nature, though they did not recommend overall social distancing.
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SSG (Join to see)
We know this isn't as big as it was put out to be. I am not arguing that. My point is, accurate data can not be gathered due to those other factors since they are synergistic.
The article is misleading in the fact that only 6% died from ONLY COVID. Someone with COPD may not have died FROM COVID, but COVID certainly exacerbated their COPD which killed them. There are PLENTY of cases in which people were wrongfully labeled as a COVID death, when they MOI had absolutely nothing to do with COVID. But it was ruled COVID, because they were COVID + at the time of death.
While I do not believe 6% is a truly accurate representation for the reasons listed above, I do think it is EXTREMELY close to the true number though.
The article is misleading in the fact that only 6% died from ONLY COVID. Someone with COPD may not have died FROM COVID, but COVID certainly exacerbated their COPD which killed them. There are PLENTY of cases in which people were wrongfully labeled as a COVID death, when they MOI had absolutely nothing to do with COVID. But it was ruled COVID, because they were COVID + at the time of death.
While I do not believe 6% is a truly accurate representation for the reasons listed above, I do think it is EXTREMELY close to the true number though.
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SSG Robert Webster
SSG (Join to see) - Considering that you are a health care professional, I suggest that you return to your earlier statement and pull out a dictionary and look up the definition of accurate, correct, and synonym. Then after that pull out whatever device that you use for research and search for accurate versus correct and then pull out or use an electronic thesaurus and learn what a synonym is.
I would then advise you to then go and read the CDC report for yourself. I would also suggest that you check the COVID19 report referenced against previous CDC mortality morbidity reports at the intervals that I suggested in my response. In conjunction with I would also check-out the CDC tables regarding the seasonal flu for the past 20 to 30 years, since they (the CDC) are actually starting to do that and being quite circumspect about it since their earlier statements about not making comparisons with the seasonal flu.
I would then advise you to then go and read the CDC report for yourself. I would also suggest that you check the COVID19 report referenced against previous CDC mortality morbidity reports at the intervals that I suggested in my response. In conjunction with I would also check-out the CDC tables regarding the seasonal flu for the past 20 to 30 years, since they (the CDC) are actually starting to do that and being quite circumspect about it since their earlier statements about not making comparisons with the seasonal flu.
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