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I think so Chief. From what I understand some investors backed out causing some credit stability issues. I'd back Remington any day of the week. They make workhorse shotguns and rifles and the Marlin 336 is a deer slayer. I think they can turn it around if they want too.

I have a Savage 110 in 22-250 and 308. We use to visit a military base in Trinidad Colorado and lay waste to some prairie dogs long before the ban was put in place. My 308 has not been so fortunate. We climbed several mountains in western Colorado only to find some juvenile bull elk by our hunting camp. I don't have a Henry but is like to get one for Buffalo and then head up to South Dakota to see if would could connect with some old warrior. If you have time I'd like to know what you have to do iot get a suppressor. Is there another class you have to take or another background investigation? I was reading where you needed to get a trust and it seemed like a lot of legal steps that if not followed exactly could get one in trouble with the ATF rather quickly. Thanks

LTC (Join to see) - There is no short answer to this, so please forgive the length of this reply.

I’m not familiar with any local laws that Colorado might have. In some states like California, suppressors are entirely illegal. But for states that recognize individual liberty, you just have to go through the federal ATF application process, which I’ll outline below...... Keep in mind that I am NOT a lawyer, so my explanation is purely anecdotal - TRUE, but not legal advice.

First, do your research, just like you would before deciding on what kind of gun you would want to buy. Things to consider......

1. Attachment method - Do you want a semi-permanent direct thread mount (like a flashhider or muzzle brake is mounted), versus a quick detach method in which the suppressor is mounted to your existing muzzle device? My pistol suppressor threads directly onto the barrel. Two of our rifle suppressors mount to a Griffin Armament muzzle brake with an integral threaded taper mount. (We actually built these two suppressors ourselves, on a Form 1.) The third rifle suppressor is an AAC 762-SDN-6 that ratchet mounts by means of a 51T 3-prong flashhider.

2. Caliber - You can often suppress a caliber even more efficiently with the suppressor for a larger caliber, than you can with a suppressor that is caliber-specific. For instance, all three of our rifle calibers are .308 caliber, and can be used on anything with a bullet diameter of .308” or smaller. They actually suppress a 5.56x45mm weapon more quietly than a 5.56mm can, because the .308 can has a larger internal volume. My pistol suppressor is a .45 caliber suppressor, but although I can mount it on .45 pistols, I generally use it on a 9mm Glock, where it is so quiet that the noise of the cycling action is louder than the muzzle report.

3. Pressure/heat rating - are you going to be shooting magnum calibers or not? None of our .308 caliber rifle suppressors would stand up to anything more powerful than a .308 Winchester/7.62 NATO cartridge. Only the ACC can is full-auto rated. If I wanted to hunt with a suppressed .300 Win Mag, I’d have to buy a suppressor that was designed to withstand the muzzle blast of that caliber.

4. Weight - Our two Form 1 home-built suppressors were made using titanium everywhere except the baffles - which are stainless steel. Steel body, blast chamber, endcap, and adapters would make them stronger, but would increase the weight. My 10.5” long home-built weighs 22.5 oz, while my 7” all-steel AAC unit weighs 20 oz; but the home-built contains 16 baffles to the AAC’s 6 or 7 baffles, and it is much quieter.

Once you know what you want, go to a Class II or III NFA dealer who carries that product line. Most are brick and mortar gun stores that also sell NFA items, but there are online vendors too, such as TheSilencerShop.com. But a gun store cannnot sell NFA items unless they are registered with ATF as a Class II/III dealer. You buy and pay for the item in question. Then you fill out an ATF Form 4, and write a check made out to the ATF for $200 (this is for the tax stamp, and is above and beyond the price of the item being purchased). The NFA dealer takes your suppressor and locks it up in the safe, and they forward your Form 4 and $200 check to ATF along with whatever paperwork THEY are required to provide.

Now the waiting game begins. At the time of this writing, it’s down to around six months. If you think that’s too long, I just took delivery in late December 2017 on a pistol suppressor that I purchased in July 2016.....so almost 18 months. The ATF had implemented a regulatory change (rule 41f) which took effect the day after I made my purchase, and it threw a real monkey wrench into the works. Before the change in the regulations was enacted, it used to take 3-4 months. Blame Obama.....Congress had no part in the implementation of 41f. The biggest reason it took even 3-4 months prior to the change is that ATF only employs 10 or 12 investigators to process all the many thousands of applications that are submitted every year. It probably only takes a few hours or a couple of days for an investigator to accept/reject your app, but there are a LOT of apps, and not enough investigators. Technically, the investigation process starts when they cash your $200 check; but in actual practice, that’s not what happens. They will cash your check as soon as they get it, and they’ll get around to the investigation whenever they get around to it. The $200 is non-refundable. If your application is rejected, you do not get the money back. My sense is that MOST people who bother to jump through all these hoops will end up passing the background check, because they weren’t criminals/dirtbags to begin with. I am also pretty sure that more people would try to buy a suppressor, but they are intimidated by the process and decide NOT to apply.

The investigator runs an FBI background check on you, making sure that there is no disqualifying reason for not approving your application. Basically, if you would pass a background check for a firearm purchase without any problems, you shouldn’t have any trouble passing the background check for the suppressor. In my case, I have a Texas carry license, and obtaining that license subjected me to a much more intensive background check than a simple NICS check, so it was just a matter of time. If you still hold any security clearances you might have had during your military career, that may well work in your favor.....but I don’t know for sure if that’s true or not.

Assuming that ATF approves your Form 4, they will affix a green stamp to it, and then they will send it back to the dealer along with a letter telling the dealer they can release the suppressor to your possession. The dealer will contact you to come get it. When you get there, you will still have to fill out the standard Form 4473 you would fill out for any firearm purchase from an FFL. The dealer will hand you your original copy of the stamped form, the suppressor, and any other paperwork accompanying it.

Going forward, you are required by ATF to be able to prove to law enforcement that you are in lawful possession of the NFA item whenever you transport it, like to a shooting range. For most of us, “proof” is simply a photocopy of the Form 4 with the stamp on it. NEVER EVER transport the original!!! As far as transporting my suppressors, it is somewhat more tightly controlled than transporting a firearm. If I want to take an AR15, a shotgun, and a pistol to an out-of-state 3-Gun match, I just take the guns and go. But if I want to bring an NFA item with me, I need to (A) make sure that the items are legal to possess in the state I’m headed to, and (B) I MIGHT need to notify ATF that I will be transporting the item(s) across state lines. For silencers, ATF notification is not required. But for SBRs, SBSs, automatic weapons, and “destructive devices”, there is a Form 5320.20 that has to be turned in before you go, to get PERMISSION to travel across state lines with the item in question. The upshot is that if I ever attended a shooting event in Oklahoma - for instance - I would leave my SBR in .300 Blackout at home, and just bring an AR15 carbine or one of my .308s.

Now, before you start the purchase process, you have to decide whether you’re going to purchase the item as an individual, or as a trust. Prior to the implementation of 41f, a trust had a lot more advantages than not having one - the primary advantage being that it bypassed the ATF requirement to have your local senior law enforcement officer sign off on your application. Depending on where you live, your local police chief or sheriff might not be so inclined. 41f tightened up a lot of things making them more cumbersome, but it did eliminate that LEO signoff requirement - 41f’s ONLY upside. However, a NFA trust solves issues of constructive possession, and a multigenerational NFA trust solves some inheritance issues for NFA items.

What is constructive possession? If you are married to a convicted felon, you cannot have a firearm in the home UNLESS you can prove that you have complete control over access to the firearm, and that your spouse has NO access to said firearm. If you do not have a gunsafe in which to store that firearm, to which your spouse has no access, then your felon spouse is in constructive possession of your firearm - even if he/she never touches it. IF law enforcement becomes aware of it, your spouse can be arrested for unlawful possession of a firearm, and you yourself might be adjudicated as guilty of providing a firearm to a prohibited person. The gunsafe, with only you having the combination, is what protects both of you from any legal liability if your spouse is a felon.

The same principle applies with NFA items. The item is registered to the purchaser - and nobody else. Therefore, nobody else can have possession of it - constructive, or actual.

In my case, we have a multigenerational NFA trust, and besides myself, the trustees include my wife, my son, and my daughter in law. The NFA items (four suppressors and two SBRs) are owned by the trust, not by the individual trustees. Without a trust, here’s how it would break out - I would own 3 suppressors (2 rifle and 1 pistol) and 1 SBR, and my son would own the 4th suppressor and one SBR .....because that’s who purchased the items. But with the items having been purchased and stamped in the name of the trust, any one of the four of us can be in possession of any of the items without having to worry about constructive possession issues. Without the trust, my wife would effectively have constructive possession of any of my NFA items, and could be subject to arrest on federal charges. Since the trust is multigenerational, nothing happens to the items owned by the trust when I, as the Settlor on the trust, pass away. The trust will continue to exist, protecting the interests of the remaining three trustees.

HOPEFULLY, some day Congress will pass some version of the Hearing Protection Act, removing the restrictions on suppressors. After all, they are no more complicated than a lawnmower muffler, nor do they carry any more moral freight than a lawnmower muffler. Perhaps my son will be able to transfer our NFA items to my grandchildrens’ possession on his death, without having to involve ATF in the process. But without the trust being multigenerational, on my death as the Settlor, the trust would cease to protect the ownership of the items currently listed on its inventory.

Hope all this helps.

Chris Smith - Thats awesome. Thanks for your time explaining that. I had not heard of multigenerational trust so I will definitely start researching. And I am like you, I am in Texas and I have a CCL.

I agree. It should be more efficient with today's technology. Wikileaks's States they have 3,500 employees and I think they have 6 plants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Arms