Posted on Apr 5, 2018
FED UP! CA Legal Immigrant Blasts 'DREAMERs' and Illegal Aliens
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“I speak to you as an immigrant myself. I came to this country 45 years ago with my mother. 45 years ago we were not offered sanctuary, we were not offered an easier, softer way. We were told you have to be an American citizen, and here’s what you have to do, and we did it,” the man wearing a Make America Great Again hat says.
“We worked hard and we put in our time. I now have a piece of paper hanging on my wall called a naturalization certificate and it says, ‘I am a proud United States American citizen.’ And if I can do it, every single person that’s a ‘DREAMer’ in this room can do it.’ Every person that’s ‘undocumented’ in this room, they can do it, too.”
The city council voted 4-1 in favor of the Trump administration’s lawsuit against California’s Sanctuary City laws Wednesday, making Escondido the first city in San Diego county to support the suit.
“We worked hard and we put in our time. I now have a piece of paper hanging on my wall called a naturalization certificate and it says, ‘I am a proud United States American citizen.’ And if I can do it, every single person that’s a ‘DREAMer’ in this room can do it.’ Every person that’s ‘undocumented’ in this room, they can do it, too.”
The city council voted 4-1 in favor of the Trump administration’s lawsuit against California’s Sanctuary City laws Wednesday, making Escondido the first city in San Diego county to support the suit.
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"Dreamers", or "DACA"-- Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals-- were people brought here as children, by their parents. They did not have a vote, did not get a say; their parents scooped them up, took them across the border, and hoped for a better life.
This became "home" from their point of view. They grew up on American streets, reading American street signs, watching American TV. They ate hamburgers and watched Sesame street and went to Prom. There's a good chance many of them didn't realize they were here illegally. They didn't understand "illegal"; they just came with Mom and Dad.
You can excoriate "Mom and Dad" for doing that to their children, and a case can be made, but the children are now saying "far as I'm concerned, this is my home. This is where I am emotionally invested". They want to get jobs, contribute to the community, pay their taxes, probably join the military.
Every time these situations come up, the legal immigrants are PO's. They applied for visas, paid their fees, etc. Why should others just plop down, hide a few years, then pop back up and say "here I am! Naturalize me!" But it isn't as simple as that.
The Dreamers have to walk into an Immigration office and identify themselves, they they start going though their own process. They have to pay fees, take citizenship tests in English, have a criminal background check, etc. It's really not as easy as just filling out something in the mail and getting a certificate. They can still be denied, or they can stay and their parents get deported (just saw it happen this very day, in fact-- and the naturalized alien child was a veteran, as well).
DACA is not a "gimme". Immigrants have to be employed and can't be "public charge". There's a lot of hoops to jump through.
But my day job is with US Citizenship & Immigration Services, so what the fuck do I know?
This became "home" from their point of view. They grew up on American streets, reading American street signs, watching American TV. They ate hamburgers and watched Sesame street and went to Prom. There's a good chance many of them didn't realize they were here illegally. They didn't understand "illegal"; they just came with Mom and Dad.
You can excoriate "Mom and Dad" for doing that to their children, and a case can be made, but the children are now saying "far as I'm concerned, this is my home. This is where I am emotionally invested". They want to get jobs, contribute to the community, pay their taxes, probably join the military.
Every time these situations come up, the legal immigrants are PO's. They applied for visas, paid their fees, etc. Why should others just plop down, hide a few years, then pop back up and say "here I am! Naturalize me!" But it isn't as simple as that.
The Dreamers have to walk into an Immigration office and identify themselves, they they start going though their own process. They have to pay fees, take citizenship tests in English, have a criminal background check, etc. It's really not as easy as just filling out something in the mail and getting a certificate. They can still be denied, or they can stay and their parents get deported (just saw it happen this very day, in fact-- and the naturalized alien child was a veteran, as well).
DACA is not a "gimme". Immigrants have to be employed and can't be "public charge". There's a lot of hoops to jump through.
But my day job is with US Citizenship & Immigration Services, so what the fuck do I know?
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They still need to become citizens. There is a process as you have established. There is not a problem with them coming in to go through the system. But many make hay on trying to dissolve laws and borders. I do not say this to be mean but as a realist. View how other countries (Mexico, Guatemala, Horrendous, Hatti, Cuba) laws and practices on how they deal with illegal immigration. The United States of America is the place for people to come to live better lives. But we have laws. Shouldn't they be followed? Of course they should. People leave countries with much stricter laws come here to our land only to ignore our laws ? That should not be allowed. Crossing boarders of any land illegally carries a risk. In many places of the world its a huge risk. They need to follow laws easy or not and many get through the process and become very strong Americans because it was a strong process and they then cherish and love their new Country as the New Citizen in this article.
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PO3 (Join to see) - But that's what I mean. To qualify for DACA, you didn't wake up one morning and decide to cross the border yourself. You were *taken* across the border by your parents.
Now they are *here*, and they are identifying themselves to authorities and asking to be allowed to complete a program to legalize their presence. They are essentially "turning themselves in", which would indicate a desire to live legally according to the laws.
The alternative is the pre-DACA arrangement... which is to continue to live here illegally. DACA applicants have to qualify to stay in the US, it isn't rubber-stamp. One of the things they have to prove is a clean police record, for example. If anything, they have to out-shine natural born citizens just to qualify for consideration.
Now they are *here*, and they are identifying themselves to authorities and asking to be allowed to complete a program to legalize their presence. They are essentially "turning themselves in", which would indicate a desire to live legally according to the laws.
The alternative is the pre-DACA arrangement... which is to continue to live here illegally. DACA applicants have to qualify to stay in the US, it isn't rubber-stamp. One of the things they have to prove is a clean police record, for example. If anything, they have to out-shine natural born citizens just to qualify for consideration.
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Too long the phrase "Diversity is our strength" has been espoused but with little thought put behind it. So, unification is the enemy's weakness? No, it's more complicated than that. Having a group of diverse people (whatever that means nowadays) is great, but they must adhere and unify under something. A good start is to identify as an American citizen. That means acclimating to the American way of life, be it language, culture, or values. The UNITED States will not remain united if we persist to transplant everyone from every part of the world and not expect them to acclimate to the country's culture and value system.
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