Posted on Apr 26, 2016
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Personally I have absolutely no problem with extremely strict "Voter ID Laws" - on eleven (basic) conditions (there are some minor ones as well):
[1] The ID is available at no direct charge AND no documentation that the voter requires in order to obtain the ID costs the voter anything directly;
[2] The ID is readily available to ALL segments of society;
[3] The application process for the ID is simple;
[4] The approval/production process for the ID is fast;
[5] The government conducts extensive and continuing campaigns regarding the necessity for the ID and how to get it;
[6] Polling stations are readily available to ALL segments of society;
[7] The number of potential voters in any polling district is (roughly) the same [say +/- 10% of the average for the electoral district];
[8] The polling stations are open for the same hours and under the same conditions in all polling districts;
[9] The number of poll workers at each polling station is in CLOSE proportion to the number of potential voters;
[10] Poll workers ARE NOT allowed to represent political parties NOR are they to be supplied by political parties;
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[11] Elections, and the definitions of electoral districts are NOT to be conducted by persons appointed by political parties.
[1] The ID is available at no direct charge AND no documentation that the voter requires in order to obtain the ID costs the voter anything directly;
[2] The ID is readily available to ALL segments of society;
[3] The application process for the ID is simple;
[4] The approval/production process for the ID is fast;
[5] The government conducts extensive and continuing campaigns regarding the necessity for the ID and how to get it;
[6] Polling stations are readily available to ALL segments of society;
[7] The number of potential voters in any polling district is (roughly) the same [say +/- 10% of the average for the electoral district];
[8] The polling stations are open for the same hours and under the same conditions in all polling districts;
[9] The number of poll workers at each polling station is in CLOSE proportion to the number of potential voters;
[10] Poll workers ARE NOT allowed to represent political parties NOR are they to be supplied by political parties;
and
[11] Elections, and the definitions of electoral districts are NOT to be conducted by persons appointed by political parties.
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Sir:
Since it is already a requirement to have an ID to buy liquor, cigarettes, travel on a plane, drive a car, I have never understood the argument that presenting an ID to validate that you are who you say you are to vote is somehow ambiguous or "disenfranchising". Considering that a vote is one of the most sacred things our founders gave us, wouldn't it be prudent to protect that? Isn't it supposed to be one vote per person? Looking through oour history, to include recent history at the out and out voter fraud, don't we want to elect people who were truly elected? See the number of registered voters in 1960 in Chicago and the number of votes tallied. 2000 Florida, 2004, 2008, 2012 Ohio............ Since the FEC manages elections, I would think a federal requirement would pass the litmus test.
Since it is already a requirement to have an ID to buy liquor, cigarettes, travel on a plane, drive a car, I have never understood the argument that presenting an ID to validate that you are who you say you are to vote is somehow ambiguous or "disenfranchising". Considering that a vote is one of the most sacred things our founders gave us, wouldn't it be prudent to protect that? Isn't it supposed to be one vote per person? Looking through oour history, to include recent history at the out and out voter fraud, don't we want to elect people who were truly elected? See the number of registered voters in 1960 in Chicago and the number of votes tallied. 2000 Florida, 2004, 2008, 2012 Ohio............ Since the FEC manages elections, I would think a federal requirement would pass the litmus test.
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SGT Edward Wilcox
The argument isn't about requiring the ID, it has always been about the ridiculous hoops one has to jump through to get the IDs. Take Alabama, for instance. Once they passed a voter ID law, and making the DMV the only place to get those IDs, they closed all but four offices state wide. Most of the state lives several hours, by car, away from these facilities. Think they get to vote? No.
Recent cases of voter fraud did not involve individuals. They were about the machines used to cast the votes and how they were programmed to change votes after they had been cast. IDs do nothing to stop that kind of fraud.
Recent cases of voter fraud did not involve individuals. They were about the machines used to cast the votes and how they were programmed to change votes after they had been cast. IDs do nothing to stop that kind of fraud.
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CW3 Stephen Bacon
With all due respect, when the number of votes far exceeds the number of people eligible to vote, that's not a machine. That's people using the dead, the elderly, the stolen id's, etc..... THAT is people, not machine. There's a reason I don't live in Alabama :) One 3 month TDY at Rucker was enough to convince me. And to your point about the DMV.... this is why I advocated it to be a federal FEC problem... not a state problem
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COL Ted Mc
CW3 Stephen Bacon - Mr. Bacon; The best investigation into voter fraud (by way of impersonation of another at the polling station) reveals that there were 31 documentable cases since 2001.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/
That article includes a link to the actual research underlying the conclusions.
Now, would you please tell me HOW MANY FEWER than 31 people are "eligible voters"?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/
That article includes a link to the actual research underlying the conclusions.
Now, would you please tell me HOW MANY FEWER than 31 people are "eligible voters"?
A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one...
Voter impersonation is a dumb way to steal an election, which is why it rarely happens.
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Most all of what you say is already law. as for making every polling place the same, I can see that running into issue. States tend to set those laws, not the Feds and I don't see many giving up that right.
the one issue that I always take issue with is the fact its unfair to require an ID. I have to say if that's unfair to require one to vote then its also unfair to need one to cash a check, buy booze or smokes, drive a car, fly on a plane or ANY of the other things that require proper ID.
the one issue that I always take issue with is the fact its unfair to require an ID. I have to say if that's unfair to require one to vote then its also unfair to need one to cash a check, buy booze or smokes, drive a car, fly on a plane or ANY of the other things that require proper ID.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
I wasn't the one that brought up guns. you will have to take that up with Joshua
Why is the left so against IDs for voters but ID crazy for everything else if its not to scam the system?
would you have me believe that these people sit at home doing zero but watching TV except once every four years they craw down to the voting place?
They don't drive, eat, fly, use credit cards, cash checks, use food stamps, own a car, have cable TV or anything dealing with life?
The left doesn't do this because they care about you. Your nothing but a vote and someone to pay taxes. Other than that they could care less. The only reason they use the Voter ID is to try and create fear that the GOP is trying to stop you from voting. That's BS and you know it.
I bet you don't think the HRC supporter governor didn't restore voting rights to 200,000 convicted felons to help HRC out too.
Why is the left so against IDs for voters but ID crazy for everything else if its not to scam the system?
would you have me believe that these people sit at home doing zero but watching TV except once every four years they craw down to the voting place?
They don't drive, eat, fly, use credit cards, cash checks, use food stamps, own a car, have cable TV or anything dealing with life?
The left doesn't do this because they care about you. Your nothing but a vote and someone to pay taxes. Other than that they could care less. The only reason they use the Voter ID is to try and create fear that the GOP is trying to stop you from voting. That's BS and you know it.
I bet you don't think the HRC supporter governor didn't restore voting rights to 200,000 convicted felons to help HRC out too.
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COL Ted Mc
PO2 Mark Saffell - PO; Although the states (generally) don't charge for "voter ID" (directly) requiring a person to present other identification that they have to pay for isn't uncommon.
And, of course, it's pretty difficult for a homeless person to produce things like utility receipts as well.
Quite frankly I don't care if the requirements for the distribution, staffing, and hours of operation are set by the States or not. What I DO care about is that the distribution, staffing, and hours of operation are NOT manipulated by the States.
Quite frankly "States' Rights" DO NOT extend to manipulating the results of elections by ensuring that the groups that you don't want to vote don't get a real chance to vote.
And, of course, it's pretty difficult for a homeless person to produce things like utility receipts as well.
Quite frankly I don't care if the requirements for the distribution, staffing, and hours of operation are set by the States or not. What I DO care about is that the distribution, staffing, and hours of operation are NOT manipulated by the States.
Quite frankly "States' Rights" DO NOT extend to manipulating the results of elections by ensuring that the groups that you don't want to vote don't get a real chance to vote.
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PFC Daniel Starrett
As a former homeless person, let me clear some misconceptions up.
1. I moved from Michigan (where I was born) with my kids (who were born in New York and Indiana, respectively), to Oklahoma. I had my New York drivers license, which had not yet expired as my legal form of ID. Life happened and I ended up homeless with my children, staying at the Tulsa Salvation Army and Day Center. In order to get an apartment, I needed not only my birth certificate, but my kids as well and did not have them. I needed their social security cards as well (I had mine) but could not get them without their birth certificates. I had income from child support, so I was able to afford the fees from each respective state. I called them up, got their , mailing address and requirements and ordered copies of everything I needed, sending cashier checks for each item. The Day Center allowed me to use one of their phones to do so as well as to have them delivered there (though I had a P.O. box instead). If I had not had the money available, the Day Center would have paid the costs for each item for me, and I would not have been required to pay them back. It took about ten days to get all the documents in the mail, then one more day to take the bus (which the salvation army paid for) across Tulsa to the social security office and get the social security cards (took five hours at social security but that's a different matter lol).
My point is, it is not hard or even difficult for a homeless person to get their state id. If they can not afford it, they can also go to DHS and get help from them in obtaining one for free (which they need to have in order to receive assistance from DHS in the first place). There is absolutely NO reasonable argument that a person can or can not obtain a state ID in order to vote.
1. I moved from Michigan (where I was born) with my kids (who were born in New York and Indiana, respectively), to Oklahoma. I had my New York drivers license, which had not yet expired as my legal form of ID. Life happened and I ended up homeless with my children, staying at the Tulsa Salvation Army and Day Center. In order to get an apartment, I needed not only my birth certificate, but my kids as well and did not have them. I needed their social security cards as well (I had mine) but could not get them without their birth certificates. I had income from child support, so I was able to afford the fees from each respective state. I called them up, got their , mailing address and requirements and ordered copies of everything I needed, sending cashier checks for each item. The Day Center allowed me to use one of their phones to do so as well as to have them delivered there (though I had a P.O. box instead). If I had not had the money available, the Day Center would have paid the costs for each item for me, and I would not have been required to pay them back. It took about ten days to get all the documents in the mail, then one more day to take the bus (which the salvation army paid for) across Tulsa to the social security office and get the social security cards (took five hours at social security but that's a different matter lol).
My point is, it is not hard or even difficult for a homeless person to get their state id. If they can not afford it, they can also go to DHS and get help from them in obtaining one for free (which they need to have in order to receive assistance from DHS in the first place). There is absolutely NO reasonable argument that a person can or can not obtain a state ID in order to vote.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
PFC Daniel Starrett Thanks. that's my point. The left are always saying people cant get an ID and all Im saying is That's BS. They can get one and IF people would be honest, most have one because even when your homeless it takes an ID to live. The left claims its too hard for older people to get one and I know they already have one. IF they are on Obamacare...ID required. If they are on medications which most of us older people take..ID Required. If they are on food assistance, ID Required. If they own a car, cash a check, use a credit or debit card. all require an ID. Most states offer State ID's. You can get a passport ID by going to the post office which is even more official without getting a full passport. There are many ways to get one with very little work, but that doesn't fit the Liberal scare tactic that the GOP is trying to prevent you from voting.
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The problem people have with Voter ID is that now they can't go from Poll to Poll and vote under various names of the Dead, sick, and elderly that can't vote. What hasn't made the news is that in several places in MS, there were buses and vans taking people to vote I multiple polling places until they got caught. They were using assumed names from recently passed away and others to vote in different districts. That was swept under the rug and not out for public consumption. Voter ID's cuts that out. Now with voter ID laws, they get one vote and that is it. In Mississippi, I believe they only cost $5 or maybe even free for a basic state issued ID card. Most people use their drivers license. In Mississippi Bottom line is that it cuts done on voter fraud in my opinion. However, it is not the only type of voter fraud, i.e. machines, polling workers etc...don't think it will ever totally go away but I believe these laws will cut down on some of it.
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
COL Ted Mc - Col...I know first hand it has happened in MS and nothing was done about it. Is it rampant...I would guess not. But a voter government issued ID may stop some of it. Got to get the low hanging fruit before we climb the tree as my grandfather used to say.
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COL Ted Mc
Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth - Colonel; If it was ACTUALLY happening (i.e. you PERSONALLY witnessed it happening) then it is your civic duty to present all of the available evidence to the District Attorney.
If you only "heard about" it happening, they you don't "know first hand" that it happened.
Who bears more responsibility, the person who breaks the law or the person who allows them to get away with it?
If you only "heard about" it happening, they you don't "know first hand" that it happened.
Who bears more responsibility, the person who breaks the law or the person who allows them to get away with it?
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
COL Ted Mc - I didnt hear about it...I saw it, reported it, and nothing was done about...our county govt is crooked as well.
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COL Ted Mc
Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth - Colonel; The most effective way of stopping something like that is to inform the party representative at the polling place that THE OTHER SIDE is "busing in voters".
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