Posted on Nov 21, 2019
Former NSC official Fiona Hill gave a master class on what it means to be a non-partisan fact...
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She spoke very well and has highlighted a lot of points I've been making, which subsequently get dismissed as ignorant "Trump Supporter/Faithful" rhetoric. Key points I observed:
""We came as fact witnesses," Hill said, referring to herself and Holmes. She added that they had both a legal and moral obligation to speak out, and said, "I don't believe there should be any interference of any kind in our election."
She also acknowledged that it was unfair of Trump's critics to attack him during the 2016 campaign, and that "this has put a huge cloud over this presidency and also over our whole democratic system."
We need to be together again in 2020 so the American people can make a choice about the future and ... make their vote in a presidential election without any fear that this is being interfered in ... from any quarter whatsoever."
- Exactly! Like Trump or not, this is 100% truth.
"Hill acknowledged that there were some officials in the Ukrainian government who expressed distaste toward Trump during and after the 2016 election.
But she said this was distinctly different from what Russia did, which she described as a "top-down" effort by Putin, one that included the Russian military and intelligence community, to interfere in the 2016 election.
She added that Trump's dislike of Ukraine was puzzling, given that there were officials from many other countries, including allies, who "said some pretty hurtful things" about Trump.
The difference, however, is that "hasn't had any major impact on his feelings towards those countries.""
- I agree... Trump has an ego and I'm sure he wants to inflate it more. What Russia did obviously was in an effort to help him and she is right in that Russian is doing this to make us more divisive (mission accomplished). However, we cannot ignore the efforts from others doing exactly what Trump was accused of, regardless of the degree Ukraine is able to interfere compared to Russia. Like Hill, I want them all out of our election process and I want those within the US illegally conspiring with them to be held accountable. This Ukraine thing stinks and I think it should be look at more officially to ensure we don't elect a President who might be involved in enabling it. If the official investigation comes up empty, I'm ready to accept that.
"Schiff asked Hill about the attacks on Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the NSC's top Ukraine expert who's testified in the impeachment inquiry.
Vindman has been subjected to baseless attacks from the GOP and right-wing media suggesting that he has a dual loyalty because his family immigrated to the US decades ago. They arrived as refugees after fleeing the Soviet Union.
Hill denounced the attacks on Vindman as "very unfortunate.""
- Again I agree and I spoke on this in another post. However, this article failed to mention this:
"Asked about testimony from prior witnesses, Hill took issue with how a prior witness claimed she had reservations about the judgment of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman – another NSC official who testified against Trump this week. Instead, she said she worried that he lacked the political chops to navigate the increasingly heated conflict over the White House's strategy.
"I did not feel that he had the political antennae,” she said."
- This tells me he really didn't have a sense of the big picture.
"Gordon Sondland testifies before a House Intelligence Committee hearing as part of the impeachment inquiry into President Trump on November 20. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
Hill testified that she and Sondland had several "testy" exchanges because she was angry he wasn't "coordinating with us" on Ukraine policy.
She went on to say that after reading Sondland's deposition, she realized he wasn't coordinating with the regular channel because "we weren't doing the same thing that he was doing."
"He was being involved in a domestic political errand," Hill said. "We were involved in national security, foreign policy. And those two things had just diverged."
She continued and said that while she hadn't put her "finger on that at the moment," she was "irritated" with Sondland and "angry he wasn't fully coordinating."
"And I did say to him, 'Ambassador Sondland - Gordon - I think this is all going to blow up.' And here we are.""
- I think Hill and I would share opinions of Sondland. Sondland is what I believe makes up the worst element within our foreign policy organizational structure. He is a suck up and a yes man trying to play both sides while hoping he comes out on top in the end. Trump would do well to get rid of those kinds of people.
Finally, I applaud her for sticking up for Amb Yovanovitch. By all accounts she served our country well. But I also recognize that the President has the authority to change ambassadors at any time for any reason and I've seen it happen in the past. Most political appointees usually have a letter of resignation in had when administrations change. Especially when they anticipate they will differ on foreign policy with the new administration. President Trump continue criticism of her was hardly necessary. All he had to say is that he believed they differed on strategy in a critical stage and thank her for her service. But as we all know, that's not Trump.
In the end, she offered nothing in her testimony confirming bribery or quid pro quo and her testimony is more of a criticism of Trump's foreign policy strategy with the Ukraine. It also reminds us all that all of this is playing into the Russians hands by creating more divisiveness in this country. The Russians do give a crap about Trump. They just want to keep us arguing about him enough to create a boil point. The Republicans treated her respectfully and asked appropriate questions to highlight how much this inquiry is pointless. Get back to work Congress! How about we put focus on perfecting USMCA and giving North America a win over China?
""We came as fact witnesses," Hill said, referring to herself and Holmes. She added that they had both a legal and moral obligation to speak out, and said, "I don't believe there should be any interference of any kind in our election."
She also acknowledged that it was unfair of Trump's critics to attack him during the 2016 campaign, and that "this has put a huge cloud over this presidency and also over our whole democratic system."
We need to be together again in 2020 so the American people can make a choice about the future and ... make their vote in a presidential election without any fear that this is being interfered in ... from any quarter whatsoever."
- Exactly! Like Trump or not, this is 100% truth.
"Hill acknowledged that there were some officials in the Ukrainian government who expressed distaste toward Trump during and after the 2016 election.
But she said this was distinctly different from what Russia did, which she described as a "top-down" effort by Putin, one that included the Russian military and intelligence community, to interfere in the 2016 election.
She added that Trump's dislike of Ukraine was puzzling, given that there were officials from many other countries, including allies, who "said some pretty hurtful things" about Trump.
The difference, however, is that "hasn't had any major impact on his feelings towards those countries.""
- I agree... Trump has an ego and I'm sure he wants to inflate it more. What Russia did obviously was in an effort to help him and she is right in that Russian is doing this to make us more divisive (mission accomplished). However, we cannot ignore the efforts from others doing exactly what Trump was accused of, regardless of the degree Ukraine is able to interfere compared to Russia. Like Hill, I want them all out of our election process and I want those within the US illegally conspiring with them to be held accountable. This Ukraine thing stinks and I think it should be look at more officially to ensure we don't elect a President who might be involved in enabling it. If the official investigation comes up empty, I'm ready to accept that.
"Schiff asked Hill about the attacks on Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the NSC's top Ukraine expert who's testified in the impeachment inquiry.
Vindman has been subjected to baseless attacks from the GOP and right-wing media suggesting that he has a dual loyalty because his family immigrated to the US decades ago. They arrived as refugees after fleeing the Soviet Union.
Hill denounced the attacks on Vindman as "very unfortunate.""
- Again I agree and I spoke on this in another post. However, this article failed to mention this:
"Asked about testimony from prior witnesses, Hill took issue with how a prior witness claimed she had reservations about the judgment of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman – another NSC official who testified against Trump this week. Instead, she said she worried that he lacked the political chops to navigate the increasingly heated conflict over the White House's strategy.
"I did not feel that he had the political antennae,” she said."
- This tells me he really didn't have a sense of the big picture.
"Gordon Sondland testifies before a House Intelligence Committee hearing as part of the impeachment inquiry into President Trump on November 20. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
Hill testified that she and Sondland had several "testy" exchanges because she was angry he wasn't "coordinating with us" on Ukraine policy.
She went on to say that after reading Sondland's deposition, she realized he wasn't coordinating with the regular channel because "we weren't doing the same thing that he was doing."
"He was being involved in a domestic political errand," Hill said. "We were involved in national security, foreign policy. And those two things had just diverged."
She continued and said that while she hadn't put her "finger on that at the moment," she was "irritated" with Sondland and "angry he wasn't fully coordinating."
"And I did say to him, 'Ambassador Sondland - Gordon - I think this is all going to blow up.' And here we are.""
- I think Hill and I would share opinions of Sondland. Sondland is what I believe makes up the worst element within our foreign policy organizational structure. He is a suck up and a yes man trying to play both sides while hoping he comes out on top in the end. Trump would do well to get rid of those kinds of people.
Finally, I applaud her for sticking up for Amb Yovanovitch. By all accounts she served our country well. But I also recognize that the President has the authority to change ambassadors at any time for any reason and I've seen it happen in the past. Most political appointees usually have a letter of resignation in had when administrations change. Especially when they anticipate they will differ on foreign policy with the new administration. President Trump continue criticism of her was hardly necessary. All he had to say is that he believed they differed on strategy in a critical stage and thank her for her service. But as we all know, that's not Trump.
In the end, she offered nothing in her testimony confirming bribery or quid pro quo and her testimony is more of a criticism of Trump's foreign policy strategy with the Ukraine. It also reminds us all that all of this is playing into the Russians hands by creating more divisiveness in this country. The Russians do give a crap about Trump. They just want to keep us arguing about him enough to create a boil point. The Republicans treated her respectfully and asked appropriate questions to highlight how much this inquiry is pointless. Get back to work Congress! How about we put focus on perfecting USMCA and giving North America a win over China?
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CPL Gary Pifer
Said nothing about Mexican Nationals and the Mexican Government intervention... protests and near riots at Trump rallies...Illegally voting...
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I dunno, that nugget about her getting an early look at the Steele Dossier is going to come up again.
I am stunned that none of the Republicans even followed up on that.
I am stunned that none of the Republicans even followed up on that.
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