Posted on Dec 6, 2021
High School Pushes CRT on Students, May Encourage Witchcraft to Curse People Who Say 'All Lives...
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
Oh, I've read plenty of critical theory in my day, bud. If you'd like a reading list, I can get you one.
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SFC Randy Hellenbrand
SGT Joseph Gunderson - You know that noise you make when you dump? Ya, it's all you got.
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So...kids in school need to be taught the full history of the US. That's not up for debate.
I know that I was taught a very skewed version of History. For example, I as a born-and-raised Texan never knew that the way the boundaries of Texas are drawn is partly due to the Compromise of 1850, in which Texas ceded some of its territory to the federal government to become non-slave-owning areas but gained El Paso. Basically, Texas gave up Texas land to stay a slave state.
History tends to be told by the "winners," and many Americans are marginalized and the full history glossed over. Their story needs to be told too.
However, is CRT really the way to do it? Do we really need to admonish an entire demographic of people, many of whom are willing to learn our nation's full history? How about instead bring that demographic on board and show them how traditional history doesn't tell the full story, and that many of our fellow Americans are still dealing with the impacts of mistakes long past.
Bottom line, anything that deliberately divides our nation worse than it already is only makes matters worse.
I know that I was taught a very skewed version of History. For example, I as a born-and-raised Texan never knew that the way the boundaries of Texas are drawn is partly due to the Compromise of 1850, in which Texas ceded some of its territory to the federal government to become non-slave-owning areas but gained El Paso. Basically, Texas gave up Texas land to stay a slave state.
History tends to be told by the "winners," and many Americans are marginalized and the full history glossed over. Their story needs to be told too.
However, is CRT really the way to do it? Do we really need to admonish an entire demographic of people, many of whom are willing to learn our nation's full history? How about instead bring that demographic on board and show them how traditional history doesn't tell the full story, and that many of our fellow Americans are still dealing with the impacts of mistakes long past.
Bottom line, anything that deliberately divides our nation worse than it already is only makes matters worse.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
1LT Nick Kidwell there is nothing good in the public school system. Nothing. Failure to understand this demonstrates one simply doesn't stay up to date on developments in that sector. Many private schools are falling to the same pernicious ideologies, too. Homeschooling is the best option for any k-12 students.
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1LT Nick Kidwell
SGT Joseph Gunderson Up until a couple years ago, I was intimately involved in public and private education.
The vast majority of parents are nowhere near equipped to properly home school kids especially especially through high school. Private education is inaccessible to moit's inexhaustible to most, unless voucher systems are in place, and often they are faith based which would alienate people who don't believe in that faith.
The largest problem that I saw as a teacher, was that some teachers and some curriculum writers seem to be pushing particular political agendas from both sides of the spectrum.
I think one of the major reforms that should happen is that teachers up to superintendents should be censured for expressing political beliefs and unduly influencing kids. Students should never know their teacher's politics. I for one kept my all kept my politics out of the classroom, to the point where sometimes kids would try to vehemently argue a position I agreed in, but were frustrated when I wouldn't engage the conversation.
The vast majority of parents are nowhere near equipped to properly home school kids especially especially through high school. Private education is inaccessible to moit's inexhaustible to most, unless voucher systems are in place, and often they are faith based which would alienate people who don't believe in that faith.
The largest problem that I saw as a teacher, was that some teachers and some curriculum writers seem to be pushing particular political agendas from both sides of the spectrum.
I think one of the major reforms that should happen is that teachers up to superintendents should be censured for expressing political beliefs and unduly influencing kids. Students should never know their teacher's politics. I for one kept my all kept my politics out of the classroom, to the point where sometimes kids would try to vehemently argue a position I agreed in, but were frustrated when I wouldn't engage the conversation.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
1LT Nick Kidwell - You act as f the job of a teacher is difficult, that it takes special knowledge and skill to teach children. It doesn't. Parents are more than equipped to educate their own children, especially since all the knowledge they would need and more is available online these days, and there are places to go for help, too.
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1LT Nick Kidwell
You act as if the job of a teacher was easy. Simply teaching effectively is challenging, and it's more so once you add things that people seem to think teachers should have to do but are not really their lane.
Don't misunderstand me, it is possible for parents to effectively homeschool K-12. My son-in-law and his sister were both homeschooled, and they are both as effective and informed adults as their age and experiences will allow. However, it's a LOT harder than people realize, as the 2020-2021 school year COVID-prompted distance education has shown. In my experience over 20 years, few parents have the time, energy, resources, and background knowledge to REALLY teach their kids well, especially through High School, and many parents have a new understanding for the challenges their kids' teachers face.
The whole "I graduated HS, so I know what they need to know" argument doesn't fly. It's like expecting an E4 supply specialist to be able to effectively teach infantry tactics to as 11B privates simply because he's been to BCT. It takes people who have experience and knowledge beforehand to teach effectively.
I also think it's a large mistake to rely too heavily on distance education. It is an extremely effective tool when the students have intrinsic motivation and are self-governing, but those phrases don't really call to mind images of Middle School students, do they?
I get the distinct impression that you or your family have had a bad experience with public education. That's valid, and you need to do what you need to do. However, that does not mean that all teachers, curricula, school districts are complete garbage. There is a lot that needs to be fixed, and a lot of things that never should have happened in the first place, but is still the best way that we have to provide education to the vast majority of American kids.
Don't misunderstand me, it is possible for parents to effectively homeschool K-12. My son-in-law and his sister were both homeschooled, and they are both as effective and informed adults as their age and experiences will allow. However, it's a LOT harder than people realize, as the 2020-2021 school year COVID-prompted distance education has shown. In my experience over 20 years, few parents have the time, energy, resources, and background knowledge to REALLY teach their kids well, especially through High School, and many parents have a new understanding for the challenges their kids' teachers face.
The whole "I graduated HS, so I know what they need to know" argument doesn't fly. It's like expecting an E4 supply specialist to be able to effectively teach infantry tactics to as 11B privates simply because he's been to BCT. It takes people who have experience and knowledge beforehand to teach effectively.
I also think it's a large mistake to rely too heavily on distance education. It is an extremely effective tool when the students have intrinsic motivation and are self-governing, but those phrases don't really call to mind images of Middle School students, do they?
I get the distinct impression that you or your family have had a bad experience with public education. That's valid, and you need to do what you need to do. However, that does not mean that all teachers, curricula, school districts are complete garbage. There is a lot that needs to be fixed, and a lot of things that never should have happened in the first place, but is still the best way that we have to provide education to the vast majority of American kids.
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