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To answer your question, who are you going to ask? The Women that are beaten every day, who is sold, who has acid thrown in her face? Or the Women that say they represent all of those women? Did the Jews like the Oppression of the Nazis/ maybe we should have asked? What about the Africans sold in to slavery? Did we ever stop and ASK if they wanted to be freed?

Evil is Evil, I don't care what religion, what dogma, what sex, what race it takes. In the 70's Women had as many rights as men in Afghanistan, now they fear for their lives because of the Muslim religion. Many have known no other life. I would say any that say they love that life are suffering stockhome syndrome, and need to be shown they have value as a Human and that there is a better world and way.


And just to hammer this home.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/08/afghanistan-women-s-pleas-to-us-do-not-forget-are-here.html
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SGT Edward Wilcox
SGT Edward Wilcox
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Afghanistan was a Muslim nation in the 70s, just like it is now. What has changed? The answer is the level of fundamentalism. Religious extremism has taken hold, and given men the power to oppress women, in direct violation of what the Qur'an teaches.

I see the same thing in this country in mostly Christian communities. The women are oppressed by their husbands and fathers. Not to the same extant, to be sure, because of laws in this country that prevent it from getting that bad, but it is happening.
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SGT Edward Wilcox - That's the rub, We have laws and we as a Nation abide by them. So IF a Women chooses to stay in that situation that is for the most part on her. In Afghanistan if a Women fights against that oppression she is stoned to death, little girls are mutilated, and all women know is violence against them. You are trying to say Western Civilization is the same as the Animals in the middle east... Because of a religion. I say they are Different because of LAWS!! If a man rapes a women we try and stop it or after the fact we put him in prison. If a husband rapes his wife he goes to prison, In Afghanistan the women is beaten and stoned for having been raped....
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SPC Greg Carr
SPC Greg Carr
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With the loud, one-sided rhetoric out there, it's nearly impossible to get a complete picture. Most sources are geared towards creating hatred for the Afghan people and their religion. Afghanistan has a complex history, and endless war has left them with an almost collective PTSD.
My friend said he worked with an Afghan man who was shot and killed shoveling snow off his rooftop because his neighbor thought he went up there to look at his daughter.
"The Thistle and the Drone" is a good book to read on this:
https://www.amazon.com/Thistle-Drone-Americas-Terror-Became/dp/ [login to see] /ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid= [login to see] &sr=8-1&keywords=the+thistle+and+the+drone
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SSgt Christopher Brose
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Asking a western woman who is "honoring" Muslim women by wearing a scarf on her head, or asking a Muslim woman living in the west what Muslim women want, misses the point entirely. Those women enjoy the benefits of living in a western culture where they have the freedom to make the choices of what to wear or what to believe.

What would be really informative would be to ask women who live in fundamental Islamist countries what they want. (I suspect that high on their list of things they would want is to not be beheaded or raped or beaten.) Fortunately, we already know some of the answers. For example, after Iraq and Afghanistan were liberated, the number of girls who started going to school increased by a huge amount -- from that, we can reliably surmise that Muslim women want to be educated. And from THAT, we can reliably surmise that Muslim women would want to take advantage of the opportunities that an education can provide, like for example getting a job.

They might not want to quit wearing a hijab, but I'm sure they would appreciate having the choice.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
SSgt Christopher Brose
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SPC Greg Carr - You don't look old enough to remember when we actually liberated Baghdad. I am, and I do. They greeted us as liberators, whether your redactionist history allows you to believe it or not. One of the things women did subsequent to that liberation was vote. They were very proud to show off their purple fingers, when it represented a real risk of getting killed by Sadam holdovers.
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SPC Greg Carr
SPC Greg Carr
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Well let's see what the Iraqis have to say: https://www.amazon.com/Voices-Iraq-Peoples-History-2003-2009/dp/ [login to see] /ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid= [login to see] &sr=8-1&keywords=voices+from+iraq
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SPC Greg Carr
SPC Greg Carr
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This also begs the question of who put Saddam in power?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggFWwKDnqtg
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SSgt Christopher Brose
SSgt Christopher Brose
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SPC Greg Carr - If you are trying to support your thesis that today's Muslim women in today's Muslim/Sharia countries are happy with their conditions, you are failing miserably.
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