Posted on May 20, 2017
judge-orders-government-to-turn-over-documents-from-rudy-giuliani-on-travel-ban
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To answer the questions in order: No and always. The White House is not required to provide anything the office doesn't want to. Look at the past few years as a prime example. There is no resolution to Fast and Furious debacle, the Benghazi nightmare which the families of those lost, plus the country wants answers to, also the Clinton e-mails/server fiasco. These things coming up with this topic or anything President Trump related, needs to take a backseat until these and many other dated matters are addressed fully and resolved. I'm not making this a political issue either. The judicial process isn't perfect, but we owe it to the American people to close matters still open and have been for years, before rushing investigations to suit a political agenda or outcome.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
I gather you were not alive when actions like that sent Nixon running out of office just ahead of impeachment and a cell.?
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MSgt Jason McClish
No I wasn't. That was over 4 decades ago and a lot has changed as far as how the judicial system works. It's perceived that some get away with breaking laws, while most of us don't for similar or lesser offenses. Who decides a person or entity gets special privileges? I'm not making this a political issue as this concerns both sides of the aisle.
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Isn't it a little late in the game to concern yourself about the White House not turning over documents? The Obama administration slow-walked or outright refused Congressional document subpoenas for years.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
SSG Ken Gouchenour - A Federal Court can order the production of documents for non-criminal cases... like this one... and the courts absolutely have the authority to require the production of documentation from the White House. It's one of those things that is part of the check and balances of the separate branches of government.
From the WhiteHouse.gov page on the Judicial system - "The courts, like Congress, can compel the production of evidence and testimony through the use of a subpoena."
And on another note - ALL government agency and personnel work product, email, correspondence, etc, is accessible not just to the courts, but to ALL US citizens under FOIA. So, unless it's classified or confidential, anyone should be able to request and receive that memo and any other government correspondence.
FOIA - Since 1967, the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) has provided the public the right to request access to records from any federal agency. It is often described as the law that keeps citizens in the know about their government. Federal agencies are required to disclose any information requested under the FOIA unless it falls under one of nine exemptions which protect interests such as personal privacy, national security, and law enforcement.
Knowing what the government is doing is our right as citizens. Period.
From the WhiteHouse.gov page on the Judicial system - "The courts, like Congress, can compel the production of evidence and testimony through the use of a subpoena."
And on another note - ALL government agency and personnel work product, email, correspondence, etc, is accessible not just to the courts, but to ALL US citizens under FOIA. So, unless it's classified or confidential, anyone should be able to request and receive that memo and any other government correspondence.
FOIA - Since 1967, the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) has provided the public the right to request access to records from any federal agency. It is often described as the law that keeps citizens in the know about their government. Federal agencies are required to disclose any information requested under the FOIA unless it falls under one of nine exemptions which protect interests such as personal privacy, national security, and law enforcement.
Knowing what the government is doing is our right as citizens. Period.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
SSG Ken Gouchenour - This isn't about proving innocence. This is about a court with authority issuing a subpoena for documentation which the White House is compelled to produce.
It was an order, which the White House is obliged to comply with - how is that so hard to understand?
"U.S. District Judge Victoria A. Roberts ordered the government to turn over to those suing a memo that Giuliani crafted, along with all “documents or communications” about the travel ban from him and several other Trump advisers, including Attorney General Jeff Sessions, White House Chief Strategist Stephen K. Bannon and senior adviser Stephen Miller during the period just before the election, before they were in their current roles."
It is 100% irrelevant what *I* think is in the memo. It is 100% about the White House following the law and producing the memo as they were legally ordered to do.
It was an order, which the White House is obliged to comply with - how is that so hard to understand?
"U.S. District Judge Victoria A. Roberts ordered the government to turn over to those suing a memo that Giuliani crafted, along with all “documents or communications” about the travel ban from him and several other Trump advisers, including Attorney General Jeff Sessions, White House Chief Strategist Stephen K. Bannon and senior adviser Stephen Miller during the period just before the election, before they were in their current roles."
It is 100% irrelevant what *I* think is in the memo. It is 100% about the White House following the law and producing the memo as they were legally ordered to do.
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The can turn them over or face jail/impeachment, the choice is simple it is not like this is a controversial area of law. The matter was pretty much stettled in 73/74
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