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Reaction Scenario: What would you do if you saw this happen in your arms room?
Disclaimer: I have no idea the story behind this, and I suspect it may have been staged to generate clicks. That said, it's still unacceptable and a good thought exercise.
Describe your immediate reaction:
1. as a bystander near the arms room,
2. as the armorer who has just had a loaded weapon pointed at him,
3. and as someone in the chain of command. For someone in the chain of command, let's assume that all individuals made it out of the situation unscathed and, for argument's sake, let's say the individual who pointed the weapon said he pointed the weapon at the SPC behind the counter because the SPC kept flagging him with a loaded weapon on the range that day, and he wanted to show him how it felt.
Disclaimer: I have no idea the story behind this, and I suspect it may have been staged to generate clicks. That said, it's still unacceptable and a good thought exercise.
Describe your immediate reaction:
1. as a bystander near the arms room,
2. as the armorer who has just had a loaded weapon pointed at him,
3. and as someone in the chain of command. For someone in the chain of command, let's assume that all individuals made it out of the situation unscathed and, for argument's sake, let's say the individual who pointed the weapon said he pointed the weapon at the SPC behind the counter because the SPC kept flagging him with a loaded weapon on the range that day, and he wanted to show him how it felt.
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This shows bad judgment by the SPC with the gun. 1. Assault with with deadly weapon is never a good idea. 2. The Armorer or any other armed person would be fully justified to fire in self defense. 3. That young man would be Standing a Courts Marshal, if he survived his bootectomy.
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Wow. We had clearing officials in the Air Force. We received our duty weapon from the armorer (the armorer wouldn't release the weapon just to lay it on the surface, it was always hand to hand, armorer to recipient.), mags first then weapon, proceeded with the firearm and the magazines separated to the clearing barrel and the clearing official, and inserted our mags, chambering and unsafing the M9. The armorer and the clearing official were always armed, and weapons safety was always paramount.
Arming troops were always separated. If you're standing in line to receive your duty weapon, you were a few feet back. I would hope that the second guy in line got to him first and subdued him. Otherwise, there would be a shootout in the armory.
If the offender survived that encounter, he's out of the military.
Arming troops were always separated. If you're standing in line to receive your duty weapon, you were a few feet back. I would hope that the second guy in line got to him first and subdued him. Otherwise, there would be a shootout in the armory.
If the offender survived that encounter, he's out of the military.
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That's interesting that the armorer and clearing official are armed - this is when you receive your weapon? Or are you referring to when you're at the range and are getting checked on and off? In the Army, you are issued your weapon and then you carry it to the range and back - not sure if that's the same in the Air Force, or if they carry your weapon to the range and issue it to you once you get there.
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CPT (Join to see) - The armorer was always armed because he was surrounded by arms. The clearing official was assigned that position prior to taking his own post (we were AF security forces, so arming was a daily thing), so he got armed first. Range day was the same as it is with you: we got armed at the armory and carried our unloaded and safed weapons (whether it was the M9, M4, M60, M249) to the range, but the ammo was kept separate (you’re right; you carried the weapon, armorers issued the rounds at the range). Once armed at the armory for the range, though, that was your duty weapon for the day. All of the same procedures were in place like any other duty day.
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My response is: we don't do that. We report inappropriate behavior with weapons, we don't use them to make others "feel it too" It doesn't work that way. And he should be grateful it didn't accidently go off or he could be charged with a lot more things to include murder if appropriate.
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