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Cpl Brett Wagner
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This will be my final post on this website. I will close my account after giving everyone a day to yell at me but I must write what I am about to in hope that it will wake you up even if it is just one person in this forum.
Who do you think you are fooling when you say “We don’t leave anyone behind even civilians”? Does that make you feel good? Like when you and the rest of your soccer team all received trophies even though you came in last place? Because for the last 20 years it hasn’t been fair if everyone didn’t get a trophy right? Listen to me now, hear me later and understand me in sometime in the near future.
We DO leave people behind. We have done it in every war since 1775. We do it all the time the only difference this time is Bowe has gotten good publicity. Obviously you people have never read any history so sit right down and you will hear a tale. On November 4, 1979 six Americans were taken hostage in Iran they were not released for 444 days that is 1 year, 2 months, 2 weeks and 2 days. What did the Iranians what in exchange for the six (6) Americans? One person, the Shah, we would have gotten all six right away for giving them one (1) person. But not even the weak and useless Jimmy Carter would not make the trade. Now kids go and look up the story on your own.
Bergdahl walked away from his post. Now some say it might have been because he was high on hash shish. Well when I served smoking that sh!t was against the UCMJ oh that’s right so is deserting your post. Has anyone of you ever heard of General Orders? You may want to read number 5. Now all of you are making yourselves feel better by saying this “We don’t leave people behind.” Wake up if you think we are going after people, including civilians, you are wrong. What about the Marine being illegally imprisoned in Mexico? What about all the unaccounted for POWs in Vietnam? Are going in to get them? It has been over 40 years since we left them behind.
You are all the reasons why our once great nation has fallen from within. Thank God we had better and stronger people to fight against the Nazis. You are all watching it happen again and you rowing the boat for the Nazis this time.
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Sgt Aaron Scott
Sgt Aaron Scott
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Cpl. Wagner, I ask that you don't close your account. Your statements are what we need. On the thumbs ups, we do stand behind what you stated and will back you up on that.
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SSG Laureano Pabon
SSG Laureano Pabon
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CPL Wagner, your not a stupid Marine, never invalidate yourself, many of us have accidentally given a down vote before with out being aware, so on this your not alone :)
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Sgt S.P. Woodke
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as long as he gets whats coming to him according to the UCMJ
and his fellow comrades who he left...
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SFC Air Traffic Control Operator
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Although I agree with what you say....does that make it right is why I vote you down. We all admire valid facts when presented but right is right, wrong is wrong. He is ours no matter if he was a traitor or not. Bring him home then put him up against the bricks and let him explain why. The alternative was to let him continue to be a propaganda tool for the enemy. If it took 100 terrorist to retrieve him, I still would, why, because he is one of ours.
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SFC Lamont Womack
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All I have to say is,
"I will always place the mission first, I will never accept defeat, I will never quit and I WILL NEVER LEAVE A FALLEN COMRADE"
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SFC Air Traffic Control Operator
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No matter what the dude did let the Army handle that but we NEVER leave a comrade, PERIOD!
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SFC Lamont Womack
SFC Lamont Womack
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SFC Wright I agree 200%!
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SFC Operations Sergeant
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I'm going to be extremely blunt and controversial because I am passionate on this topic as a result of actual experience. Yes we never leave a Soldier behind, which is both honorable and completely vindicated. However, does one's personal sentiment in this regard become altered with respect to a Soldier that, rather than being wounded, killed or taken prisoner, abandons his unit on the battlefield? Further, is he even a Soldier anymore at this point? My opinion is no, he is no longer an American Soldier. I believe this both by definition and based on my own ethical conclusions. Essentially once you put down your arms, surrender the fight, and desert your unit (organized force), you also forfeit the distinguished title stemming from the U.S. Armed Forces. Speaking from precedent that dates back to pre-civil war, it would only be appropriate to place that individual back in uniform and the custody of the Army in order to stand trial.

definition: "A soldier is one who fights as part of an organized land-based armed force."

In this instance, I firmly disagree with the General. Food for thought, what would Bergdahl's fate have been if serving in Vietnam, WWII, WWI, Civil War...Assuming he sought shelter from the enemy, and the members of his unit testified to that as well as the desertion itself, would this conversation have the same climate?
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1LT Fccme
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I'll be honest, I heard someone say this on the radio. We never leave a man behind, as long as he never leaves his country behind. He didn't just leave his country behind, he abandoned his squad, company, leadership, and denounced his status as a U.S. Soldier to find the enemy. I find it hard to give him my sympathy, given the facts that are available.
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Cpl Brett Wagner
Cpl Brett Wagner
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MAJ Thank you, What is up with all this "We never leave a man behind" bull crap? Someone just one of you uttering this tell me what happened to our guys in Korea and Vietnam? Did we go get them and I missed it? I think you are all saying that to comfort yourselves. Trying to convince yourselves that the same will be done for you. I challenge you to do an online search for Americans being held by other countries. You will find many that we are not making trades or paying ransoms for any of them. The Marine in Mexico will probably rot before Obama does anything to help him. But will you or are you doing anything to bring that man home?
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SFC Operations Sergeant
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CPL Wagner, to add to that I keep hearing "we" never leave a man behind as though the people saying it are going to go get someone. As you have stated, "we" have left many people, even those who found themselves isolated or captive as a result of battle, as opposed to their own doing. Things get a lot more complicated when "you" are going to go get someone. Even for a Commander who bears responsibility for such a mission, there is quite a bit to weigh in terms of cost/benefit, diplomacy, ROE, Civil considerations etc. I have been on a personnel (journalist) recovery mission in Afghan and there was nothing simple about it. Not the decision to execute or the execution itself. The only thing that seems to be easy about this concept is its use as a fun catch phrase by those who pretend to dictate what is right at the hands of a keyboard, knowing they will never bear the burden of action for such noble sentiment. We would love to retain or regain accountability of all our Service Members. If only it were that simple. Having lost one to his own dereliction and possible defection doesn't make it any simpler. To say it is as cut and dry as "we never leave a man behind" is just plain ignorant. It isn't a rule, law or standing operating procedure. It is a positive response to a circumstance, one that would be great to achieve, but every circumstance is different. It is important to consider that Bergdahl wasn't a POW, Enemy Prisoner of War or a Government Detainee, but was by definition a Hostage in Captivity by International Criminal/Terrorist organization. And he was so by his own doing. He was not a target of opportunity. He was not isolated on the battlefield or Engagement Area. To say all of that is irrelevant when considering whether or not we negotiate with the Enemy is beyond me.
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Cpl Brett Wagner
Cpl Brett Wagner
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SSGT Allen - I wish you could see my standing ovation to you sir. Wonderfully written, simply outstanding, I wish I could be as precise and succinct as you. Please share more and more often. I truly enjoyed reading your post.
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