Posted on May 6, 2019
Mnuchin refuses to turn over Trump taxes to House Democrats
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Well, I am not a lawyer (in deference to the post above), but it seems to me that there is no real purpose to subpoenaing tax records in this case other than fuck-fuck games.
They know that treasury will not release those records, they just want the talking points.
Having said that, Trump should have released his tax records during the campaign. Then all this wouldn't be a thing and voters could have had a say if there was anything there that mattered.
They know that treasury will not release those records, they just want the talking points.
Having said that, Trump should have released his tax records during the campaign. Then all this wouldn't be a thing and voters could have had a say if there was anything there that mattered.
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Capt Gregory Prickett - We shall see. We will find out someday. probably quite a long time from now as the Dems string stuff along for political reasons.
I may not know the ins and outs of law, but I can read the Constitution. The President can indeed pardon Barr unless they actually go through with impeachment, which they would never get through the Senate.
“The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.” - Article II, Section 2, Clause 1.
You and I both know that they don't have the fortitude to impeach either Barr or Trump because they know it would fail in the Senate and they know it will cost them dearly in 2020. And of course 2020 is what this is all about. I have serious doubts it would pass the House if tried.
Taken in context, that makes my position a very solid one - that this all noise and fury and isn't going anywhere.
What might go somewhere is the investigation into DoJ and CIA leakers. That might well nail some folks.
I might not be a lawyer, but I am real good at reading politics.
If you would like to make a little internet wager, I am game.
I may not know the ins and outs of law, but I can read the Constitution. The President can indeed pardon Barr unless they actually go through with impeachment, which they would never get through the Senate.
“The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.” - Article II, Section 2, Clause 1.
You and I both know that they don't have the fortitude to impeach either Barr or Trump because they know it would fail in the Senate and they know it will cost them dearly in 2020. And of course 2020 is what this is all about. I have serious doubts it would pass the House if tried.
Taken in context, that makes my position a very solid one - that this all noise and fury and isn't going anywhere.
What might go somewhere is the investigation into DoJ and CIA leakers. That might well nail some folks.
I might not be a lawyer, but I am real good at reading politics.
If you would like to make a little internet wager, I am game.
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SSG Robert Webster
1SG (Join to see) - Interesting about Mr. Prickett's 'finding of fact,' is that Michael Cohen was convicted for lying (committing perjury) to Congress. It is also an interesting point that a conviction for tax fraud is also a 'finding of fact' that the individual made clearly erroneous statements in writing.
What is even sillier about the argument presented is that the 'majority' lack credibility themselves - "We have evidence or proof that Mr./President Trump is guilty (of something)." Well the bottom line is bring the charges, put it on trail and present your 'evidence' and or 'proof' and get your conviction. But then there would be one of two problems; there is no evidence only innuendo, or the 'evidence' or 'proof' is tainted by being obtained in an illegal manner.
Another thing that people are pointing out is Mr. Trump's property valuations in his financial statements for loans or other purposes. The first thing to point out - property valuations change all the time. And they are not necessarily the same at the same point in time. Property tax valuation can be drastically different than a property sales (market) valuation, then property sales valuation can be drastically different than how much someone is willing to pay for a particular property. Individuals (with extended periods of active duty) should know this all too well but sometimes fail to make this critical evaluation of information. Anyone out there that has been through a situation with an underwater mortgage should know this as well.
What is even sillier about the argument presented is that the 'majority' lack credibility themselves - "We have evidence or proof that Mr./President Trump is guilty (of something)." Well the bottom line is bring the charges, put it on trail and present your 'evidence' and or 'proof' and get your conviction. But then there would be one of two problems; there is no evidence only innuendo, or the 'evidence' or 'proof' is tainted by being obtained in an illegal manner.
Another thing that people are pointing out is Mr. Trump's property valuations in his financial statements for loans or other purposes. The first thing to point out - property valuations change all the time. And they are not necessarily the same at the same point in time. Property tax valuation can be drastically different than a property sales (market) valuation, then property sales valuation can be drastically different than how much someone is willing to pay for a particular property. Individuals (with extended periods of active duty) should know this all too well but sometimes fail to make this critical evaluation of information. Anyone out there that has been through a situation with an underwater mortgage should know this as well.
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SSG Robert Webster - The angle that the Dems are on is one of impeachment, where evidence matters less than politics and public opinion matters more still. They know they don't have what they need, so they are taking a public IO campaign to say "well look at all this nefariousness" - that is, don't vote for Trump in 2020. They'd love to impeach but know it will fail, and fail badly. They also know that what they are looking for simply isn't there in the Mueller report, despite all this noise about what might be under the redacted portion. In a trial in a court where the evidence came from would be an issue; in an impeachment proceding it is only embarrassing. And probably at least some of that embarrassment would reflect poorly on Democrat Jesus himself, Saint Obama the pious.
So the net step is to go fishing by subpoenaing things like tax returns, knowing it will be refused, and pile it up as evidence of obstruction. Except it isn't obstruction. And the gong show continues.
Oh and by the way, Cohen pled guilty, so even he knows that he is a crook and a liar. He said as much in front of Congress.
So the net step is to go fishing by subpoenaing things like tax returns, knowing it will be refused, and pile it up as evidence of obstruction. Except it isn't obstruction. And the gong show continues.
Oh and by the way, Cohen pled guilty, so even he knows that he is a crook and a liar. He said as much in front of Congress.
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Capt Gregory Prickett - I will eat my hat if they successfully send the Sergeant-at-Arms to detain the Attorney General of the United States.
When is the last time something like that happened? The 1930's?
It is humorous to me that through all of this, Congress can hide behind the speech and debate clause to lie their asses off for years, then try to nail the AG for "lying" to Congress. They can say whatever they want, it is true. Disingenuous, but true.
I would do this: declassify the whole kit and caboodle and release the Muller report, the FISA applications, the people responsible for what when, who knew what and when they knew it. All of it. Let the public chew on all of that and let sunlight be the disinfectant.
While we are at it, turn over all the Fast and Furious documents and the IRS correspondence during the Lerner scandal. No way in hell all of that is really erased. Throw in Hillary's emails and what we know about foreign intelligence services acting as proxies for the DNC in conducting espionage against a US Presidential candidate.
Release it all, and let the games really begin. Prosecute every last one of the people who violated the law.
Presto! No more talk of tax returns.
Problem solved.
When is the last time something like that happened? The 1930's?
It is humorous to me that through all of this, Congress can hide behind the speech and debate clause to lie their asses off for years, then try to nail the AG for "lying" to Congress. They can say whatever they want, it is true. Disingenuous, but true.
I would do this: declassify the whole kit and caboodle and release the Muller report, the FISA applications, the people responsible for what when, who knew what and when they knew it. All of it. Let the public chew on all of that and let sunlight be the disinfectant.
While we are at it, turn over all the Fast and Furious documents and the IRS correspondence during the Lerner scandal. No way in hell all of that is really erased. Throw in Hillary's emails and what we know about foreign intelligence services acting as proxies for the DNC in conducting espionage against a US Presidential candidate.
Release it all, and let the games really begin. Prosecute every last one of the people who violated the law.
Presto! No more talk of tax returns.
Problem solved.
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I will wait until a judge makes a legal determination. Lawyers get paid to argue legal positions. Lawyers become proficient in various aspects of law. Now a tax lawyer maybe conversant in criminal law but I don’t think I want him arguing for my freedom. I don’t think I would want a lawyer dealing in property rights ( patented material, copyrights etc) arguing my medical malpractice case. We have had people argue Trump’s travel ban was unconstitutional. Clearly the Supreme Court didn’t see it that way. My position is that, as I understand, the House can only request records pertaining to legislation or government oversight, private tax records do not fall into these categories.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/26/us/politics/supreme-court-trump-travel-ban.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/26/us/politics/supreme-court-trump-travel-ban.html
Trump’s Travel Ban Is Upheld by Supreme Court
In a 5-to-4 vote, the Supreme Court ruled that President Trump acted lawfully in imposing limits on travel from several predominantly Muslim countries.
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LTC David Brown
Then I ran into this item. Provides a legal counter argument. With the provision having never been before a judge who knows. https://www.npr.org/2018/10/11/656610711/congress-really-can-demand-and-get-trumps-tax-returns-here-s-how
Congress Really Can Demand, And Get, Trump's Tax Returns. Here's How
Three House and Senate committees have "the unqualified right" to request taxpayers' returns from the IRS. There's no provision exempting the president.
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Tax records of citizens are private. Congress does not have a legitimate reason to have them. This is purely political and Mnuchin was right to put that request in the circular file. SCOTUS will concur if it goes that far but it will not go that far because the democrats know they are over stepping legitimate oversight. The three branches are co-equals, Congress needs to remember that.
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Cpl Jeff N.
I read the statute. You have been wrong too many times to count. The biggie was the almost 2 years your partook in the Russia collusion story sure that it would be the end of Trump. Conclusion from Mueller, no collision or conspiracy. And here you are again predicting fines and imprisonment for Mnuchin. Your crystal ball has more than one crack in it. Why don't you post the entire statute on here and explain the part after the word except?
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Cpl Jeff N.
Capt Gregory Prickett - I would likely have to sue you for malpractice based upon your legal reasoning on RP.
I am not asking for legal advice only asking you to explain why you used the word "period" as tough the statute ended there and then didn't consider the reset of the statute you felt compelled to partially quote.
I am not asking for legal advice only asking you to explain why you used the word "period" as tough the statute ended there and then didn't consider the reset of the statute you felt compelled to partially quote.
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