Posted on Oct 18, 2017
Nordbat 2 and Mission Command in Bosnia | RealClearDefense
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it just goes to show the more you know or you think you know, the more you don't know! the Brigade commander wants us all to discuss this over the weekend drill. Based on your experience, do you think our commanders would have been relieved of Duty had they fought like this unit did?
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CSM Richard StCyr
LTC (Join to see) - My deployments were in Iraq and DS to 416th ENCOM and then DS to 4ID in both instances the GOs were aggressive and mission focused so no. I think we would have caught hell for being passive. I don't like discussing ROEs but ours allowed us the freedom to operate within and achieve the Commanders objectives while preventing absolute pandemonium and free fire.
I have had a poor opinion of the UN for a long time as nearly every book or article I've read it seems the ROEs they have units work under are ridiculous and hobble the peacekeepers making them useless.
I can't remember the last article I read of a recent American commander being relieved for being aggressive and returning fire on the enemy which seems to be what the commander in the article did. In each instance the Soldiers returned fire or acted with an aggressive defense of their AO or lines of communication. McArthur is the only person I can think of, off hand who was relieved for being too aggressive and tussling with civilian control.
I have heard stories from a young Marine Iraq Vet about having to call Battalion for permission to return fire, which in my mind is Ludacris, if you're taking fire have PID (not the VD) then smoke the bad guy, but we weren't subjected to those constraints.
I have had a poor opinion of the UN for a long time as nearly every book or article I've read it seems the ROEs they have units work under are ridiculous and hobble the peacekeepers making them useless.
I can't remember the last article I read of a recent American commander being relieved for being aggressive and returning fire on the enemy which seems to be what the commander in the article did. In each instance the Soldiers returned fire or acted with an aggressive defense of their AO or lines of communication. McArthur is the only person I can think of, off hand who was relieved for being too aggressive and tussling with civilian control.
I have heard stories from a young Marine Iraq Vet about having to call Battalion for permission to return fire, which in my mind is Ludacris, if you're taking fire have PID (not the VD) then smoke the bad guy, but we weren't subjected to those constraints.
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LTC (Join to see)
CSM Richard StCyr - sergeant major, thank you very much for your in-depth analysis. I'm sure a lot of 4 Battalion commanders and Company commanders are going to be giving their spin on what they thought based on what they did in Iraq and Afghanistan and putting that back into the story. This is going to be a very interesting discussion based on what you just told me so far. Thank you very much!
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LTC (Join to see)
Jim, I liked it. Our Brigade Commander is going to have a discussion about it over the weekend since I'm in a unit that teaches Mission command.
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I have a friend who is retired US Army. He is a kernel any as good close relationship with the Thai government. Thailand is right next to China so I emailed him this article because I'm hoping that the king of Thailand others can learn from the sleeves and have the same kind of military posture to not surrender under any circumstances in the event that China in Vegas Thailand. I'm sure these guys really surprised the Bosnian when they wouldn't take any crap from them.
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