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First they want ID's now they want ID's to say specific things excluding the valid ID's most of the native americans carry in the state.
Street addresses in areas that are not mapped traditionaly does cause problem the state knew full well in advance. That is why the rule was written the way to exclude people.
Street addresses in areas that are not mapped traditionaly does cause problem the state knew full well in advance. That is why the rule was written the way to exclude people.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin - No, it is not, unless it has the street address on it. The tribes are scrambling now to issue new IDs in time, but won't get to everyone.
In order to vote in North Dakota, you must be:
•A citizen of the United States;
•Eighteen years or older on the day of election;
•A resident of North Dakota;
•A resident in the precinct at least thirty days immediately preceding any election; and
•Able to provide a North Dakota driver's license, nondriver ID, or tribal ID that includes your current residential address and date of birth. (If an individual's valid form of identification does not include all the information required in subsection 2 of NDCC §16.1-01-04.1, or the information is not current, the identification must be supplemented by presenting any of the documents as outlined in subsection 3 of NDCC § 16.1-01-04.1.)])
In order to vote in North Dakota, you must be:
•A citizen of the United States;
•Eighteen years or older on the day of election;
•A resident of North Dakota;
•A resident in the precinct at least thirty days immediately preceding any election; and
•Able to provide a North Dakota driver's license, nondriver ID, or tribal ID that includes your current residential address and date of birth. (If an individual's valid form of identification does not include all the information required in subsection 2 of NDCC §16.1-01-04.1, or the information is not current, the identification must be supplemented by presenting any of the documents as outlined in subsection 3 of NDCC § 16.1-01-04.1.)])
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
To which they are able to call a 911 service provider and have one established.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin - I believe the tribe is the source for establishing street address and issuing the ID card, not 911.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
I'm sure there are plenty of options, and I did read that they can in fact call the 911 provider to assign them an address. That's not the point. They have the ability to get their homes established with a legal address. Why haven't they?
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North Dakota Voting Requirements:
"North Dakota is the only state without a voter registration process. Any person over the age of 18 who has lived in a precinct for three or more months may vote in local, state, and federal elections without registration. In order to vote, however, a person must bring identification of a type pre-selected by the North Dakota Secretary of State. For the 2016 election, this list includes a North Dakota driver's license, non-driver's ID card, tribal government issued ID card, or an identification card provided by a North Dakota long-term care facility. Neither a United States Passport nor a North Dakota College- or University-issued ID card are accepted, and North Dakota does not offer provisional ballots to those who do not have an acceptable form of identification."
ND Driver's License Requirements:
Present your out-of-state driver's license.
Provide proof of your identity, such as your:
U.S. birth certificate.
U.S. passport.
Foreign passport and I-94 printout.
Show proof of ND residency.
Pass a vision test.
Pass the written and driving exams, if required.
These may be waived after the ND DOT check your driving record and medical information.
Pay the required fees.
Acceptable documents for proof of North Dakota resident address:
Government issued property tax form
Mortgage/Lease/Rental document
Homeowner/renter’s insurance policy
Utility bill (electricity, gas, water, sewer, cable, recycle)
Non-cellular phone bill
Currently issued school transcript/report card
Statement from a financial institution (bank, credit union, or other financial institution)
Credit, debit, or charge card statement
Pay stub or statement from employer
"North Dakota is the only state without a voter registration process. Any person over the age of 18 who has lived in a precinct for three or more months may vote in local, state, and federal elections without registration. In order to vote, however, a person must bring identification of a type pre-selected by the North Dakota Secretary of State. For the 2016 election, this list includes a North Dakota driver's license, non-driver's ID card, tribal government issued ID card, or an identification card provided by a North Dakota long-term care facility. Neither a United States Passport nor a North Dakota College- or University-issued ID card are accepted, and North Dakota does not offer provisional ballots to those who do not have an acceptable form of identification."
ND Driver's License Requirements:
Present your out-of-state driver's license.
Provide proof of your identity, such as your:
U.S. birth certificate.
U.S. passport.
Foreign passport and I-94 printout.
Show proof of ND residency.
Pass a vision test.
Pass the written and driving exams, if required.
These may be waived after the ND DOT check your driving record and medical information.
Pay the required fees.
Acceptable documents for proof of North Dakota resident address:
Government issued property tax form
Mortgage/Lease/Rental document
Homeowner/renter’s insurance policy
Utility bill (electricity, gas, water, sewer, cable, recycle)
Non-cellular phone bill
Currently issued school transcript/report card
Statement from a financial institution (bank, credit union, or other financial institution)
Credit, debit, or charge card statement
Pay stub or statement from employer
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MSG Frank Kapaun
In Georgia, they will even come to your residence and make you an ID. Nobody’s vote is being suppressed for n either GA or ND.
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I'm a cyber guy and here's what people need to understand about voter fraud. In cyber, not all attacks are discovered and mitigated. Most would say the ease in which to do it without getting discovered or caught makes it highly likely it is a bigger problem than one would realize. In fact, today there are a LOT of democrats who believe simply because Trump won the election that the systems had to be hacked despite the lack of any credible reports confirming such a thing.
Election fraud, is also very easy to do without being discovered. Like cyber, there are many avenues one/or many people could attempt to use depending on the state and it's construct. The resources to detect and mitigate these avenues in many cases are not enough. Again, just like cyber. So when someone tells me there are not enough examples of voter fraud to demonstrate a significant problem, I have to say that is a naive statement but that I also disagree. I have read reports about multiple examples of voter fraud which has been discovered. But like cyber, these likely only reflect the tip of the iceberg.
Layer defenses is essentially when protecting virtually anything. Do these put up barriers in which one who is authorize must overcome? Sure, but this is what we should be focusing on, how to best do that. But at some point it does in fact come down to the individual. Voter ID is one way to stem the problem of voter fraud. Just like when you come into my network, I want to make sure you are who you say you are and authorized to use the service you are requesting. Voter ID isn't the end all answer but it is effective. States have also bent over backwards to accommodate citizens who have uncommon or unique circumstances to ensure they are enabled to get those IDs. Most of the responses I hear in return are excuses and/or extremely unique anecdotes. I also see political parties bend over backwards to get people out to vote, literally busing them into their polling stations. They spend significant amounts of money doing this. Why not work the lead up to elections and help citizens get the IDs too? I don't want to see a single citizen be denied their chance to vote, but at the same time, it is not the government's responsibility to overcome the laziness or ignorance of citizens. Like the act of voting itself, we all have a personal responsibility to met the requirements necessary to vote. The actions are not required for each election unless something about you changes such as moving to a new state or home, got married and changed your name, or you've switched parties (if you're voting in the primaries for some states).
Election fraud, is also very easy to do without being discovered. Like cyber, there are many avenues one/or many people could attempt to use depending on the state and it's construct. The resources to detect and mitigate these avenues in many cases are not enough. Again, just like cyber. So when someone tells me there are not enough examples of voter fraud to demonstrate a significant problem, I have to say that is a naive statement but that I also disagree. I have read reports about multiple examples of voter fraud which has been discovered. But like cyber, these likely only reflect the tip of the iceberg.
Layer defenses is essentially when protecting virtually anything. Do these put up barriers in which one who is authorize must overcome? Sure, but this is what we should be focusing on, how to best do that. But at some point it does in fact come down to the individual. Voter ID is one way to stem the problem of voter fraud. Just like when you come into my network, I want to make sure you are who you say you are and authorized to use the service you are requesting. Voter ID isn't the end all answer but it is effective. States have also bent over backwards to accommodate citizens who have uncommon or unique circumstances to ensure they are enabled to get those IDs. Most of the responses I hear in return are excuses and/or extremely unique anecdotes. I also see political parties bend over backwards to get people out to vote, literally busing them into their polling stations. They spend significant amounts of money doing this. Why not work the lead up to elections and help citizens get the IDs too? I don't want to see a single citizen be denied their chance to vote, but at the same time, it is not the government's responsibility to overcome the laziness or ignorance of citizens. Like the act of voting itself, we all have a personal responsibility to met the requirements necessary to vote. The actions are not required for each election unless something about you changes such as moving to a new state or home, got married and changed your name, or you've switched parties (if you're voting in the primaries for some states).
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MSG Stan Hutchison
This is a different ploy by the ND republicans. In the last election for Senator, Heitkamp won with less than 3000 votes. She had very strong support from the Native American voters. The IDs they had at that time were fine. Surprised by the outcome, the republicans jumped to make changes. On the reservations out here, most do not have street address. They do not have property tax receipts. So, by requiring address. the republicans made an extra barrier to prevent another surprise.
This was appealed but the court ruled yesterday that it is too close to the election to change without causing confusion with the voters. What BS.
This was appealed but the court ruled yesterday that it is too close to the election to change without causing confusion with the voters. What BS.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
And in the reports it already states she is too far behind for it to even be a factor. Again, the addresses can be provided by a 911 service provider.
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