Posted on Aug 15, 2018
Pope Francis officially updated Catholic teaching, calling the death penalty "inadmissible"
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The Pope and his declaration about the state sanctioned killing is wrong and puts many Catholic service members at risk of being at odds with the church.
This isn't a simple "against the death penalty," but rather against all state sanctioned killing. It comes from an erroneous understanding of the bible, a leftist agenda, and is one of the things that puts a Catholic soldier at even more odds with his conscience than he already might be about having to pull the trigger.
The bible is often misinterpreted and one has to go to the original texts that explain things properly in the original languages. The commandment "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" does NOT exist. "THOU SHALT NOT MURDER" is the correct interpretation of the Hebrew. There are two distinct words that exist here and are very important. Murder in Hebrew is ratsach, and kill is harag. There is a very specific and detailed meaning to the word murder. There is a prescription for one to kill a thief that enters the home in the night, but if the thief enters in the daytime you're suppose to help him. This allows for up and to the meaning of the words. I for one will have 0 remorse if I have a wife and family and someone kicks open my door and subsequently ends up dispatched. If I saw a man pull a knife on a playground I would kill to defend others' children, and I would not lose any sleep over it. The pope is not above reproach and if he thinks he is, then his arrogance only means to double down on that reproach. People need to call things for what they are, and this guy is clearly too obtuse (and was placed in power by the claws of the communists that infiltrated the church since WWII) to understand that he puts the spiritual health of our brothers in combat arms in spiritual upheaval. I think my opinion is clear about this, but I was wondering what you all might think and for some good discussion if possible.
This isn't a simple "against the death penalty," but rather against all state sanctioned killing. It comes from an erroneous understanding of the bible, a leftist agenda, and is one of the things that puts a Catholic soldier at even more odds with his conscience than he already might be about having to pull the trigger.
The bible is often misinterpreted and one has to go to the original texts that explain things properly in the original languages. The commandment "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" does NOT exist. "THOU SHALT NOT MURDER" is the correct interpretation of the Hebrew. There are two distinct words that exist here and are very important. Murder in Hebrew is ratsach, and kill is harag. There is a very specific and detailed meaning to the word murder. There is a prescription for one to kill a thief that enters the home in the night, but if the thief enters in the daytime you're suppose to help him. This allows for up and to the meaning of the words. I for one will have 0 remorse if I have a wife and family and someone kicks open my door and subsequently ends up dispatched. If I saw a man pull a knife on a playground I would kill to defend others' children, and I would not lose any sleep over it. The pope is not above reproach and if he thinks he is, then his arrogance only means to double down on that reproach. People need to call things for what they are, and this guy is clearly too obtuse (and was placed in power by the claws of the communists that infiltrated the church since WWII) to understand that he puts the spiritual health of our brothers in combat arms in spiritual upheaval. I think my opinion is clear about this, but I was wondering what you all might think and for some good discussion if possible.
Pope Francis officially updated Catholic teaching, calling the death penalty "inadmissible"
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The catholic church has lots of issues they need to work on, The largest of which is child sexual abuse. Another story broke about the Church in Pennsylvania that hundreds perhaps thousands of kids were sexually abused by priests and the church actively covered it up. The catholic church, over the decades, has allowed men (both gay and straight) to target young boys and girls for sex.
This pope only adds weight to a collapsing institution. The Church that Paul started has been corrupt and has allowed it to happen. They have installed a pope who is at odds with the church he is supposed to be leading.
I am not a catholic, I am a protestant. I don't say this happily but the catholic church has turned into an apostate church like a number others. They have done so because they have turned their back on confronting sin in their leadership.
This pope only adds weight to a collapsing institution. The Church that Paul started has been corrupt and has allowed it to happen. They have installed a pope who is at odds with the church he is supposed to be leading.
I am not a catholic, I am a protestant. I don't say this happily but the catholic church has turned into an apostate church like a number others. They have done so because they have turned their back on confronting sin in their leadership.
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Maj Robert Thornton
I left the Catholic Church when I was a freshman in college, too many issues with it then and now. Been a Protestant ever since.
Since this latest, has he disarmed his Swiss guards, I doubt it.
Since this latest, has he disarmed his Swiss guards, I doubt it.
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CPL(P) (Join to see)
My general idea is there are good people in the corpus of the church and a lot of turds that floated up. What's interesting is how the church has changed in history in response to things like islam and protestantism. I've seen it mirroring s lot of bad ideas. I wonder if it's absorbing things to feel relevant. My analysis isn't complete because the study isn't complete.
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MSG Glen Miller
LOL...the catholic church is the issue. She is the whore dressed in purple and scarlet on the beast drunk with the blood of the saints. I pity the millions she has misled by twisting scripture.
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CPL(P) (Join to see) a question. I have read the accounts about the pope's changing the doctrine about the death penalty. However, I have seen nothing that suggests that also expands to "all state sanctioned killing" as you stated. I have seen nothing that suggests that there was any change to doctrine related to soldiers killing in combat. Do you have a link that shows that wording, or is that a personal extrapolation you made?
As for your comments about the pope or his staff not understanding the meaning of the words of the Bible, frankly I find that a bit laughable. Whether you agree or believe what they come up with, there are likely few people on earth who as an institution has spent more time pouring over every possible source document and are educated in original languages and meanings.
Back when I was in college, I took a course called the Bible as literature. It was offered in the English department, and many "born again Christian" students would take it figuring it was an easy A because they had already read the book. But they couldn't help themselves and constantly diverted from the purpose of the course, and instead wanted to engage the professor about what this verse or that verse "really meant". But the prof was a former Jesuit priest who had spent 15 years essentially doing nothing but reading and studying about every source document and spoke many languages. They were terribly outclassed in terms of actual knowledge of what they were talking about, as there knowledge ended after spouting a few talking points they picked up at a Bible study. Of corse they had no actual training in ancient languages and actually hadn't read any of them. They were just spouting what someone told them.
This was 40 years ago, and it seems little has changed. But as for the Catholic Church, they always have been evolving doctrine. I can share a personal example. My mom was a catholic. She had a pregnancy that ended with the baby being still born. She asked the priest if the baby needed to be baptized. He said no, that catholic doctrine was that if the baby never took a breath, there was no soul and no need to baptize him. Compare that to today's doctrine where they think that even birth control is a form of murder., and a fetilized egg is a human life.
What has changed in the words of the Bible between 1950 and today? Nothing. It is simply a group of men in power deciding what they want the followers to believe. I grew up being taught that eating meat on a Friday was a sin that I needed to confess to clear it from my soul. Then guess what, one day it wasn't a sin anymore. Go figure.
As for your comments about the pope or his staff not understanding the meaning of the words of the Bible, frankly I find that a bit laughable. Whether you agree or believe what they come up with, there are likely few people on earth who as an institution has spent more time pouring over every possible source document and are educated in original languages and meanings.
Back when I was in college, I took a course called the Bible as literature. It was offered in the English department, and many "born again Christian" students would take it figuring it was an easy A because they had already read the book. But they couldn't help themselves and constantly diverted from the purpose of the course, and instead wanted to engage the professor about what this verse or that verse "really meant". But the prof was a former Jesuit priest who had spent 15 years essentially doing nothing but reading and studying about every source document and spoke many languages. They were terribly outclassed in terms of actual knowledge of what they were talking about, as there knowledge ended after spouting a few talking points they picked up at a Bible study. Of corse they had no actual training in ancient languages and actually hadn't read any of them. They were just spouting what someone told them.
This was 40 years ago, and it seems little has changed. But as for the Catholic Church, they always have been evolving doctrine. I can share a personal example. My mom was a catholic. She had a pregnancy that ended with the baby being still born. She asked the priest if the baby needed to be baptized. He said no, that catholic doctrine was that if the baby never took a breath, there was no soul and no need to baptize him. Compare that to today's doctrine where they think that even birth control is a form of murder., and a fetilized egg is a human life.
What has changed in the words of the Bible between 1950 and today? Nothing. It is simply a group of men in power deciding what they want the followers to believe. I grew up being taught that eating meat on a Friday was a sin that I needed to confess to clear it from my soul. Then guess what, one day it wasn't a sin anymore. Go figure.
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SPC Erich Guenther
I believe that is correct. The Vaticans stand on what constitutes a "just war" is still in place. Not that I would ever listen to such tripe being a Catholic myself.
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Sir, "Today, however, there is an increasing awareness that the dignity of the person is not lost even after the commission of very serious crimes. In addition, a new understanding has emerged of the significance of penal sanctions imposed by the state. Lastly, more effective systems of detention have been developed, which ensure the due protection of citizens but, at the same time, do not definitively deprive the guilty of the possibility of redemption."
I know they expressed this as very pointed at the death penalty, but it isn't a far extrapolation to say this can cover over to any state sponsored killing.
I should have just stayed with the commandment that says you shall not murder. This is directly from biblical Hebrew. This is straight forward. Thank you for reminding me to keep it relevant to my argument. I didn't say they don't know the bible, but I see it being twisted. Just like the church doctrine on Islam is full of holes and lies and I'll point it out later by posting an analysis on that. Lastly, I'm not above being wrong. I like when I'm pointed out how and so I can learn. The idea that longevity of study or life leaves no stone left unturned is one I can't buy. It should mean the knowledge is honed but still debatable. Thanks for your comment.
I know they expressed this as very pointed at the death penalty, but it isn't a far extrapolation to say this can cover over to any state sponsored killing.
I should have just stayed with the commandment that says you shall not murder. This is directly from biblical Hebrew. This is straight forward. Thank you for reminding me to keep it relevant to my argument. I didn't say they don't know the bible, but I see it being twisted. Just like the church doctrine on Islam is full of holes and lies and I'll point it out later by posting an analysis on that. Lastly, I'm not above being wrong. I like when I'm pointed out how and so I can learn. The idea that longevity of study or life leaves no stone left unturned is one I can't buy. It should mean the knowledge is honed but still debatable. Thanks for your comment.
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MSG Glen Miller
These wolfs in sheep’s clothing, the preachers and pastors and popish leaders have been very cunning from the beginning, starting with emperor Constantine and possibly before considering the scribes and Pharisees. They are very studied because their whole goal is to twist scripture ever so slightly and poison the word of God and lead you away from it. The scripture has not changed from Genesis, from the beginning, but people like to read into and intrepid scripture instead of letting scripture intrepid scripture. Most everybody reads scripture, but very few of us study scripture. Be like the Bereans and test everything and don’t just take what you are being told on Sunday morning for granted. By the way, Sunday is the wrong day to worship (Genesis 2:2–3) check it out.
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Great write-up Shaun. Placed into power by the commies or Satan, it's all the same. It's more than evil the crimes the roman catholic church has and still is committing. I pray her followers will read and understand Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: “Come out of her, my people, so that you may not have fellowship in her sins, and so that you may not receive of her plagues.
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