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MAJ James Woods
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Wow! This story never got any traction. Perhaps cause neither Biden nor Obama made it a big deal with an intent to stoke up their supporters. How far we've come indeed. Thanks for the share. I'm definitely sharing this.
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MAJ James Woods
MAJ James Woods
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And of course, Conservative outlets went on the defense. Note they couldn't find any entertainment conservatives that celebrated Biden's rejection; not whether they found any Conservatives in general that praised the baker. Selective use of words for their argument as they miss the overall argument, a business owner didn't want his business to have an association with a public figure based on personal political beliefs. Who knows, Biden and team may actually have ordered some fresh goodies and promoted a newly opening local business.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/06/cnn-compares-restaurant-kicking-out-sarah-sanders-private-family-dinner-to-bakery-refusing-joe-biden-campaign-photo-op/
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LTC Kevin B.
LTC Kevin B.
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I agree with your comments elsewhere in this thread. This is an apples-to-apples comparison. All of the other comments trying to say this scenario is different is a great example of a debating fallacy called "Insist loudly on small differences". People saying they are different are focusing on the small details of the two scenarios, and are completely ignoring the two broader issues that make them so similar. There are two main issues that are common. First, a business owner turned away a political figure (but not necessarily a politician) because they didn't want their establishment associated with them. Then, the businesses openly embraced that notoriety to their advantage. Second, fans of both sides of the political aisle flocked to support the establishment. The hypocrisy issue noted here is the timing. Conservatives supported the bakery owner when he did this, but later vilified the restaurant owner, although both did the same thing (refused a customer for political reasons). All of the other minutia is subterfuge designed to justify saying that one business owner (the conservative) was right and another business owner (the liberal) was wrong. Either they are both right for standing up for their political convictions or they are both wrong for discriminating against customers with political beliefs they don't like. I view this more like a Granny Smith apples-to-Gala apples comparison. They're both apples, but not the exact same type of apples.
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Cpl Jeff N.
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Apple and oranges but that seems not to bother some of you from trying to make the comparison.

Biden wanted a campaign event at this baker's business. Biden's advance team went there and asked to do a photo op in his business for Biden. The owner said no to a political event being done in his shop. Biden didn't drop in with his wife and try to buy cookies and get turned away.

You will have to do better than this. Not the same thing by a long shot.
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Cpl Jeff N.
Cpl Jeff N.
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MAJ James Woods - James, you describe Biden's desire to have a campaign event at the baker's shop which is correct. Biden wanted to use his business for a publicity event for his campaign. Declining an even like that versus declining service to someone coming into your business as a paying/normal customer is DIFFERENT.

Sanders had no cameras there would be no event, no publicity etc. the business didn't need to be used by her to push her political campaign. She was coming in to eat dinner as a member of the public. If you cannot see the difference it is because you choose to have blinders on.
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MSgt Michael Bischoff
MSgt Michael Bischoff
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Cpl Jeff N. - Politicians and yes she is as a spokesmen, wear the badge wherever they go that is why some do have security. So to say her visit wasn't political is not totaly true. What if she like the food and posted on her Official Twitter account she liked it. Is that not the same as what she (Sanders) did posted on her Official twitter account she did not like it because they wanted her to leave.

Ah, with the PC police gone like demanded, people are learning how really unpleasant other people can really be.
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Cpl Jeff N.
Cpl Jeff N.
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MSgt Michael Bischoff - First, she isn't a politician, she is a white house staffer. She hold no political office. She is not "on duty" 24/7/365. She was out for dinner after hours with her family. I suspect if she has an official white house twitter handle it is used for official business. I am not sure if she has one.

Like a few here you are conflating a request by the Biden campaign to hold an official campaign event at a cookie shop vs someone going to dinner as a normal, paying guest. The disingenuousness is staggering.
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MSgt Michael Bischoff
MSgt Michael Bischoff
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Cpl Jeff N. - she most certainly is a politician, have you heard her brief.
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Sgt John Steinmeier
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Hmmmm Biden wants to hold a political event in this guys place and he says no thank you. Not even close please to the event with the Press Secretary and the "Red" Hen. Thank you for playing please try again.
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MAJ James Woods
MAJ James Woods
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Yes, Biden offered a meet and greet photo op with the owner along with buying and trying some baked goods. Owner said no thank you, I want my business to have no association with you out of political reasons. Red Hen owner chose not to have her business to have any association with Sanders out of political reasons. Hopefully both owners would do the same thing with a well known White Nationalist or Anti-US government or Anti-Semitic leader entering their business. The principle argument remains the same.
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