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Ok - young Padawan learners. When those Old Salt grey beards talk about going toe to toe with the Russkies and you wonder what they mean. Here's a graphic to put it in perspective. Back in the Old Corps, when ships were made of wood and men of iron.... LOL!
Soviet Navy Vs. Modern Russia's in One Graphic
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Could not pull it up, but I was there and never once feared the Soviet Navy. Were it not for security I could tell you some stories about the late 50s - the 80s. We were better and I would bet dollars to donuts we still are today. I will go with skill and technology over numbers anytime, that is unless refighting the battle of Kursk.
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Master Chief - sorry that the link did not work for you. You were right we focused on quality over quantity and are the better for it - as a Navy and as a Nation. So, I'll side with you - quality is the way to go. But as you note - the Russians would counter with the old bromide that quantity has a quality all its own.
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One of Putin's initiatives is to rebuild the Russian deep-water navy. There are new classes of subs for each of the missions (guided missile, fast attack, ballistic missile). Although the surface fleet is getting its share of Russian Oil Money, they are not moving toward modern new classes of ships as quickly as the submarine fleet.
The advances in "external combustion engines" have turned non-nuclear electric subs into potent, nearly silent, modern weapons. The Russians are including this new tech in their subs, AND selling those to other nations.
Back in my day, our oldest subs (i.e., the one that I was on...) was a one-to-one match with the best soviet submarines - until the Japanese and Norwegians sold the Soviets advanced milling machines and computers. You can see the results in our submarine numbers.
In 1986, the Akula-class (means "Shark") fast attack appeared - my boat is credited with doing the first sound-profile on "Akula-1" - by 1992, the Permit and Sturgeon class fast attacks representing 2/3's of our fast boats - were scrapped. Only the Los Angeles class (and successors) were kept.
What's the point? Numbers don't tell the whole story. Just as one platoon of US soldiers or Marines is more capable than many times their number of other nations' soldiers, a new class of submarine or destroyer can eliminate the need for dozens of ships in several other classes.
The new sub tech is scary to this former bubblehead. Here's a link for your edification.
(Had to edit a couple of mistakes... sorry)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine
The advances in "external combustion engines" have turned non-nuclear electric subs into potent, nearly silent, modern weapons. The Russians are including this new tech in their subs, AND selling those to other nations.
Back in my day, our oldest subs (i.e., the one that I was on...) was a one-to-one match with the best soviet submarines - until the Japanese and Norwegians sold the Soviets advanced milling machines and computers. You can see the results in our submarine numbers.
In 1986, the Akula-class (means "Shark") fast attack appeared - my boat is credited with doing the first sound-profile on "Akula-1" - by 1992, the Permit and Sturgeon class fast attacks representing 2/3's of our fast boats - were scrapped. Only the Los Angeles class (and successors) were kept.
What's the point? Numbers don't tell the whole story. Just as one platoon of US soldiers or Marines is more capable than many times their number of other nations' soldiers, a new class of submarine or destroyer can eliminate the need for dozens of ships in several other classes.
The new sub tech is scary to this former bubblehead. Here's a link for your edification.
(Had to edit a couple of mistakes... sorry)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine
Stirling engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A Stirling engine is a closed-cycle regenerative heat engine with a permanently gaseous working fluid. They operate by cyclic compression and expansion of air or other gas (the working fluid) by a temperature difference across the engine. This results in a net conversion of heat energy to mechanical work.[1][2]
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You're right - Technology is always evolving and we have to evolve with it. Some of the new technologies of today and tomorrow are worrisome. I am confident that the next generation will develop the answers, but we have to know our past and how we made it in order to successfully evolve tomorrow's solutions. Thanks for posting!
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