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Those voting against the electoral college have no idea what the electoral college is in place for. Does the electoral college need to be fixed? Absolutely. However, without the electoral college, the cities in NY, FL, TX, and CA would be the only places that matter. That would leave 98% of the country without a voice. The electoral college allows states with lower populations to have a voice. The people in the city may have a significantly different view, belief, and position than those in the country side. NY is a great example. Whoever the CITY votes for gets the "popular vote" but 98% of the state (geographically) vote opposite of the city.. In my opinion, the city should have their own votes and the rest of the state should get theirs. Look at the United States - most of the map is red. Without the electoral college, the little blue areas would have won. Out of 330 Million, the popular vote was within 100,000 give or take. "Popular vote" in this sense would have been CRIMINALLY unfair to the majority of the country.

Here are my thoughts:

1. States representatives should NOT be able to pledge their votes regardless of their state's voting outcome. By pledging votes, it eliminated democracy and LITERALLY takes away the voice of anyone voting. For NY, CA, and HI - voting was pointless as those states already PLEDGED their votes... Unacceptable.

2. Electoral college candidates should not be able to vote against their state. If the state elects one candidate, the representatives should not say "I disagree with my state, I'm voting how I WANT to.."

3. Looking at Florida for an example, when the state has almost a dead tie, and the state has 29 electoral college votes, perhaps it should not be winner takes all. Instead of awarding 0 / 29, award 14 / 15 or however the percentages weigh.

What are your thoughts?
MCPO Roger Collins
MCPO Roger Collins
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Stick with the electoral college and make all voting at the state level proportional, simple and efficient. Winner take all and the 50 variety of state laws are the issue, IMO.
SPC Jesse Bevil
SPC Jesse Bevil
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I'm personally against either the Electoral College or the Winner Takes All system. While 2 states do have a proportional system, they've never split their votes, so you can hardly call it a proportional system.

Also, when saying that those voting against the electoral college have no idea what they are talking about, perhaps not following through by saying that the states with the most electoral votes already are the states that will end up determining the election if we use a popular voting system.

Additionally, if those "cities" you are referring to are the ones that will be determining the entirety of the election, then I believe that the 98% would be a bit of an over exaggeration. In fact, I have already done research on this subject. I realize that I have no idea what I'm talking about because I disagree with you, but bare with me. The following is a snippet from a research paper I wrote in September of this year.

But the strongest argument against National Popular Vote’s call is that abolishing the Electoral College would merely shift the political battles from battleground states to big cities. In a popular election, candidates would have to go where the voters are — and that means rural areas would be skipped. To understand how this is not a truth, you have to know just how big the big cities are. Based on the latest census (2010 Census), New York accounts for 2.6% of the national population with 8,175,133 people. Los Angeles accounts for 1.3% of the national population with 3,792,621 people. Chicago accounts for 0.8% of the national population with 2,695, 598 people. Houston accounts for 0.7% of the national population with 2,099,451 people. Philadelphia accounts for 0.5% of the national population with 1,526,006 people. Phoenix accounts for 0.5% of the national population with 1,445,632 people. San Antonio accounts for 0.4% of the national population with 1,327,407 people. San Diego accounts for 0.4% of the national population with 1,307,402 people. Dallas accounts for 0.4% of the national population with 1,197,816 people. San Jose accounts for 0.3% of the national population with 945,942 people. These are the highest populated cities which combined population make up only 7.9% of the United States Population. So while those top 10 cities will impact the presidential election, it would only be up to 7.9% of the total popular vote possible. Three of these cities are located in Texas and two in California. However, both of those states already are allotted a large majority of the available electoral votes based on the electoral voting system.

Even still, with those top 10 cities you are left with the vote of 92.1% of the population, but by your own words 98% of America wouldn't be able to assist in choosing the president. But all that aside, you don't vote for president. You vote for a slate of electors whom the majority of which aren't required to vote in favor of the popular vote in their states. Additionally, as it stands with the Winner Takes All system, up to 49.99% of the population of every state's voters is ignored. Then this balancing system to give more voting power to smaller states means that in Alaska the population to Electoral Vote is greatly skewed in their favor. Alaskan votes count 2.8:1 when compared to California.

The whole concept of staying away from the "Mob Rule" ideology is disconcerting. The "mob" wanted to go into establishments of business and service without the issue of smoke from smokers. Now there is almost no place you can go that allows it, in most cases city or state ordinances have shut it down. Giving business owners no say over their own services. Now instead of non-smokers just going elsewhere, smokers have to go elsewhere. Are we better or worse because of it? Depends on who you ask. This applies the same to the Electoral College. Will it be better or worse with the Electoral College disbanded? Who can really say. People have their opinions. Me personally, I feel if my vote isn't equal because I live in a state with a large population, then I have no desire to vote.

I hope this information enlightens you a little on the way us people who have no idea what we are talking about are thinking. At least for those of us who are educated and have decided to form their own opinion on the subject. Just because we disagree, doesn't mean that one or the other is lacking an understanding. Just that we have come to a different end result.
CW4 Angel C.
Wasn't it Trump that said the system was rigged and he would only accept the results if he won? But now that same people is praising the system. Let's move on to making "Mexico pay for this wall" and getting rid of "every word of Obama care".
SSG Jessica Bautista
SSG Jessica Bautista
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So much of the backpedaling.. It's now a fence, btw. More cost effective. Lol
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Chief, the article was written prior to the election.
CW4 Angel C.
CW4 Angel C.
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MAJ Charles Blake - I'm aware of that. However, your post was not.
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CW4 Angel C. - Of course it wasn't, but my post is in support of the EC - not a candidate. I support the process because as the founder noticed, straight up democracy would be a mob ruled system.
CPT Alexander Grant
Its time to convert to a democracy, now that there are no more plantation owners that need their vote protected by the EC
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I'm not sure what means other than asking for a down vote.
SSG Jessica Bautista
SSG Jessica Bautista
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MAJ Charles Blake - The original use of the voting laws and electoral college.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/commentary-why-the-electoral-college-system-makes-little-sense-today/
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SSG Jessica Bautista - This says nothing to support nonsense from CPT Grant.
SSG Jessica Bautista
SSG Jessica Bautista
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MAJ Charles Blake - It was a tiny mention and it kind of requires interpretation.

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