Posted on May 9, 2017
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Shlomo Sand, an Israeli historian, explains in this book how most modern Jews descend from converts all over the Middle East and Eastern Europe.
A common rumor is that Jews are descendents of ancient Hebrews and are natives of Palestine, whereas Palestinians are from Arabia. In fact, the reverse is true: Palestinians are natives, and Israeli Jews are colonizers.
A reviewer's key learning points:
"- The Jewish Bible as Mythistory: even though there are no evidences for most of the histories told in the Bible, and the invocation of God is pervasive in it, Jews in general and Israelis in particular read and teach the Bible as a history text. Thus, Jewish identity is based on myth rather than on historical facts.
- Jewish proselytism from about 200 B.C to 400 A.D: even though we consider the Jewish religion as a "non proselytist religion", in contrast with the Christian religion, that was not the case in that period. Proselytism is the origin of the Jews in Europe, in North Africa, in the Caucasus and in Asia.
- The exile of the Jews, Jewish Diaspora. Galut : this is perhaps the most important and recurrent myth in both jews and gentiles alike. There was no Exile during the Roman period, and this fact is widely known in history experts circles. However, most Jews believe that they are the 'historical descendents' of the Hebrew people that inhabited Canaan (or Palestine) duringthe biblical times,and that the were exiled by force.
- The origin of the Ashkenazim and Sefaradim : the Sefaradim are probably descendents of the tribes from North Africa that invaded Spain in the 8th century, which converted to Judaism before the invasion. The Ashkenazim probably descend from the Khazars, a reign in the Caucasus that converted to Judaism in the 8th century to reject islam civilization and retain political independence, This point is very well developed in the book, as it is so important for current Jewish identity.
- Zionism and history manipulation: the ups and down in Zionism ideology, how Zionism selects and rejects historical facts to create a coherent narrative of the Jews in order to support its own goals and agenda.
In summary, even though the facts may be known to some history experts, they do not constitute the 'popular wisdom' of the masses, both in and outside Israel. The consequences to the Jewish identity if these facts were more widely known, debated and discussed would be enormous. A delicious read, an important and brave contribution, all I can say is: Bravo Shlomo ! And many thanks."
Shlomo Sand, an Israeli historian, explains in this book how most modern Jews descend from converts all over the Middle East and Eastern Europe.
A common rumor is that Jews are descendents of ancient Hebrews and are natives of Palestine, whereas Palestinians are from Arabia. In fact, the reverse is true: Palestinians are natives, and Israeli Jews are colonizers.
A reviewer's key learning points:
"- The Jewish Bible as Mythistory: even though there are no evidences for most of the histories told in the Bible, and the invocation of God is pervasive in it, Jews in general and Israelis in particular read and teach the Bible as a history text. Thus, Jewish identity is based on myth rather than on historical facts.
- Jewish proselytism from about 200 B.C to 400 A.D: even though we consider the Jewish religion as a "non proselytist religion", in contrast with the Christian religion, that was not the case in that period. Proselytism is the origin of the Jews in Europe, in North Africa, in the Caucasus and in Asia.
- The exile of the Jews, Jewish Diaspora. Galut : this is perhaps the most important and recurrent myth in both jews and gentiles alike. There was no Exile during the Roman period, and this fact is widely known in history experts circles. However, most Jews believe that they are the 'historical descendents' of the Hebrew people that inhabited Canaan (or Palestine) duringthe biblical times,and that the were exiled by force.
- The origin of the Ashkenazim and Sefaradim : the Sefaradim are probably descendents of the tribes from North Africa that invaded Spain in the 8th century, which converted to Judaism before the invasion. The Ashkenazim probably descend from the Khazars, a reign in the Caucasus that converted to Judaism in the 8th century to reject islam civilization and retain political independence, This point is very well developed in the book, as it is so important for current Jewish identity.
- Zionism and history manipulation: the ups and down in Zionism ideology, how Zionism selects and rejects historical facts to create a coherent narrative of the Jews in order to support its own goals and agenda.
In summary, even though the facts may be known to some history experts, they do not constitute the 'popular wisdom' of the masses, both in and outside Israel. The consequences to the Jewish identity if these facts were more widely known, debated and discussed would be enormous. A delicious read, an important and brave contribution, all I can say is: Bravo Shlomo ! And many thanks."
The Invention of the Jewish People: Shlomo Sand, Yael Lotan: 9781844676231: Amazon.com: Books
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It is a very controversial subject, and while much of what you are saying is true... it also seems to be one sided. The Romans did drive many of the Jews out of Israel, they razed Jerusalem to the ground and built an entirely new city (Aelia Capitolina) after plowing the old one into the ground. The Jews were not allowed to live in the city permanently again for hundreds of years. My impression is that while most Jews did stay in the region, a significant minority also fled the region. Their numbers were heavily augmented by proselytizing, however I don't believe it is entirely accurate to say that they had no link to Palestinian... a cultural link definitely existed. At the same time many of those who did settle into Palestine were Greeks and other citizens of the Roman empire, who migrated into the region once Aelia Capitolina was built.
http://jerusalemonmymind.com/Aelia%20Capitolina.html
http://jerusalemonmymind.com/Aelia%20Capitolina.html
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Okay, enough with the propaganda already. You have every right to speak on RP (that is I'm assuming that you are a valid member), but I feel compelled to warn everyone who has the misfortune of stumbling on the postings of @SPC Greg Carr (funny, his name doesn't appear when I attempt to embed his name in this comment). SPC Greg Carr is either on a mission to deceive us or is himself of dupe of someone else's propaganda. This posting is particular is a dead giveaway. You have been warned.
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CPT Jack Durish
SPC Greg Carr - who is questioning your love of America? It merely appears that you are clueless about America or simply can't handle freedom. Why else would you be proslatizing for a religion that opposes individual freedom, rights and self responsibility which are the heart and soul of America?
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I dont really care where they came from. I like the Jews a lot more than palestinians, who happen to be people kicked out of Jordan in the 1970's. the Jews happen to be our allies while the Palestinians have bombed our troops and continue to fund and train people who attack us.
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SGT Edward Wilcox
Umm. Pretty sure you have that a little wrong. The Palestinians were actually living in what is now Israel before 1948. That's why it was referred to Palestine before the creation of Israel. Go look at some old pre-WWII maps, you will see what I mean. The modern Palestinians were there first.
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