Posted on Apr 20, 2017
The Navy Just Made Sharing Nudes Without Consent A Crime For Sailors And Marines
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Did they make it an offense to take nudes in the first place? Of course not, that would be punishing the person that actually is creating the potential for anything to be shared. Since when is conduct becoming to take nude pics of one's self? Who and how will consent be determined? If someone takes it and shares it with someone willingly then it is shared form there what happens?
Perhaps along with the head shot in uniform everyone does they should have to take a full nude too, problem solved, they are all out there, nothing to hide, problem solved, everyone has one, one the record.
The only thing this will do is to get active folks to send the pictures to those now out to share on the internet. This is another waste of ink and time. The issue is if there were no nude images taken there would be no nude images to share. They couldn't be stolen or posted because they wouldn't exist. Punish the source of the problem not the secondary and tertiary issues.
If images are taken of someone clandestinely (without their knowledge or consent) by someone that is a crime already. That could and should be punished.
Perhaps along with the head shot in uniform everyone does they should have to take a full nude too, problem solved, they are all out there, nothing to hide, problem solved, everyone has one, one the record.
The only thing this will do is to get active folks to send the pictures to those now out to share on the internet. This is another waste of ink and time. The issue is if there were no nude images taken there would be no nude images to share. They couldn't be stolen or posted because they wouldn't exist. Punish the source of the problem not the secondary and tertiary issues.
If images are taken of someone clandestinely (without their knowledge or consent) by someone that is a crime already. That could and should be punished.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
Cpl Jeff N. - So if your daughter sent nude pictures to her boyfriend and he put them all over the internet, you would say it was her fault? Yes it is rolling the dice. Everything in life is a gamble. I am not saying that some of the blame doesn't fall on the picture taker. Yes it is a retarded thing to do, but to distribute it without the person's knowledge is unconscionable. Yes the victim did suffer a self inflicted wound, but that does not make them any less the victim. If someone shoots themselves accidentally, the EMS doesn't let them bleed out because they were stupid.
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Cpl Jeff N.
PO3 Steven Sherrill - If my daughter did something that stupid I would be highly disappointed in her and she would know it (she is 21 now so she is in that generation). I tried to teach good judgment and to value herself more than that. You want to turn the blame away from the person that should burden it. I might kick his ass for it or have her bother who is still a Marine kick his ass for it but criminal prosecution, give me a frickin break.
What I would tell my daughter is she just learned an incredibly simple lesson the hardest way imaginable. I would be heartbroken for her but personal accountably is what is needed here not more scapegoating as we like to do in 21st century America. If you want to ensure your privacy the best thing to do is take care if it yourself. Guard it as though it is valuable. Not that hard a concept is it.
So you think that someone that puts a nude picture out there and perhaps posts it to the internet or texts it to someone (or a bunch of someone's) and now has second thoughts now should be able to require people come back and look for permission to repost it or they have committed a crime. First, I doubt that will pass legal muster and it is once again the system focusing on the wrong thing. No surprise there.
What I would tell my daughter is she just learned an incredibly simple lesson the hardest way imaginable. I would be heartbroken for her but personal accountably is what is needed here not more scapegoating as we like to do in 21st century America. If you want to ensure your privacy the best thing to do is take care if it yourself. Guard it as though it is valuable. Not that hard a concept is it.
So you think that someone that puts a nude picture out there and perhaps posts it to the internet or texts it to someone (or a bunch of someone's) and now has second thoughts now should be able to require people come back and look for permission to repost it or they have committed a crime. First, I doubt that will pass legal muster and it is once again the system focusing on the wrong thing. No surprise there.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
Cpl Jeff N. - The problem is that it creates a toxic environment that cannot function. Not that I really think that this was actually a consideration, but it should have been. When you have this kind of activity going on, it is bad for morale (though I imagine prosecution is too). The simplest solution from a service standpoint is to make it a violation of the UCMJ. I believe that we may not agree on the details, but we both see the act itself as insanely boneheaded to put it politely.
To answer your question, I think that one should not put nude photos out there to begin with. If one does do so, then from a human standpoint the person that they share with should have the decency to keep that private. As for a crime, yes they should be able to have it reported as a crime, but both parties should be subject under the UCMJ. The best way to avoid this is to simply not do it. Don't do it, won't have a problem with it. If one wants their partner to see them naked, go be naked in person. It is much better than pictures anyway.
To answer your question, I think that one should not put nude photos out there to begin with. If one does do so, then from a human standpoint the person that they share with should have the decency to keep that private. As for a crime, yes they should be able to have it reported as a crime, but both parties should be subject under the UCMJ. The best way to avoid this is to simply not do it. Don't do it, won't have a problem with it. If one wants their partner to see them naked, go be naked in person. It is much better than pictures anyway.
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Cpl Jeff N.
PO3 Steven Sherrill - The toxic environment is being enabled by troops taking and in many cases cavalierly distributing nude pics. No nude pics, no toxic environment. Go to the source of the problem. If you do not nip it there it will continue and it will fester.
FYI, this is not modifying the UCMJ. That is one of the issues with the legality of it.
Are there nude pictures of you floating around the internet? I bet there are not. That is because you exercised good judgment and personal accountability. That is what is missing in this entire story/issue, individual accountability for ones actions.
Your belief that a person one might share a nude picture with should have the decency not to share it is why people end up in trouble. It is a misguided and misplaced trust of something near and dear to you, your privacy. You gave it up when you shared the image.
FYI, this is not modifying the UCMJ. That is one of the issues with the legality of it.
Are there nude pictures of you floating around the internet? I bet there are not. That is because you exercised good judgment and personal accountability. That is what is missing in this entire story/issue, individual accountability for ones actions.
Your belief that a person one might share a nude picture with should have the decency not to share it is why people end up in trouble. It is a misguided and misplaced trust of something near and dear to you, your privacy. You gave it up when you shared the image.
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According to the article, one can still show the images to others so long as they aren't sent or posted. Sounds like they didn't think this through well.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
LTC (Join to see) Take a picture, show it, but don't send it. As far as thinking it through, when is a rule change ever thought out in advance? It is always a knee jerk reaction to Oh shit there is an issue.
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well what took them so Long...
That was a No Brainer...
Thanks for The Share and Information...
That was a No Brainer...
Thanks for The Share and Information...
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
SFC George Smith Seems to be the way things go. Reported, its a problem, ignore. Reported a lot, still a problem, continue to ignore. It goes public, oh shit, we cannot ignore, policy change. Not just the Navy, that is the U.S. Government way of affecting change.
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