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Cpl Jeff N.
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The program was rife with abuse, that is why Mattis and the Pentagon wanted it discontinued.

Another perspective on the story with a few more facts and quoted from policy makers and a little less emotion than buzzfeed.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/02/report-potential-security-risks-program-recruited-10000-foreign-born-members-u-s-armed-forces-2009/
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
SCPO Jason McLaughlin
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Cpl Jeff N. - The numbers that I would like to see:
1. Security violations reported amongst the 10K+ already in the program
2. Attrition rates
3. False enlistments
4. Discipline issues

With 10K plus in the program, you have a large enough sample size to see if there is a disproportionate occurrence of the listed issues in comparison with the military as a whole. Disclosing the above would go a long way to showing that the policy change was not politically driven.
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Susan Foster
Susan Foster
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Cpl Jeff N. - I guess that's my point. I don't know what the risk factors are, and are they higher than a sample of 10k from native-born enlistees. There seems to be some concern, yet no real facts are mentioned as to what exactly they are concerned about and why.
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Cpl Jeff N.
Cpl Jeff N.
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin - I am not sure they will release too much detailed information due to privacy concerns. The bottom line is that this is an optional program, not required. If they have evidence that it creates security risks that are not acceptable then there is no requirement to continue it.

Susan Foster Native born enlistees are called citizens. These folks are not. It is not a requirement they are even given this opportunity. You are comparing apples and oranges.

I suspect that once better vetting procedures and approached are put in place it will be reinstated. There is nothing wrong with the program as long as the risks can be addressed and good background checks can be done etc.
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Susan Foster
Susan Foster
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Cpl Jeff N. - I totally agree. But whether someone is native born or not is not, IMHO, a requirement to be a good soldier. Especially the ones where they have never lived anywhere else. My only point is that nothing in the article brings out what the problems were with the program and why people viewing it got concerned.
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Capt Tom Brown
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As with most stories, there are two sides to this one too. We should be very careful about granting what seems to be a blank check opportunity to naturalization for any reason no matter how noble.
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SSG William Bowen
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Personally, I would like to see someone have to complete an enlistment, whether its 2, 3, or 4 years. Or maybe once they reach 2 years, they can complete the process. Of course, all the required checks and vetting should also be completed. I don't agree with getting it right after basic training. Some of these recruits are immigration violators, and granting citizenship right after basic should not be a reward. 2 or 3 years is still very expedited considering 5 years is typical, and that's after becoming a Legal Resident.
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