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Basically, this is saying F*** your property rights. What's next, are they going to hold homeowners responsible if they don't want guns in their homes and something happens? And I'm a strong 2A supporter. *smdh*
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Yes, I get what they're saying. And I get that public establishment means "A business open to the public". I just happen to think that property rights are just as important as gun rights. This is basically telling someone what they can and cannot do with their own property. It's a short hop from doing this, to doing this for peoples' homes.
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People's homes? That's a bit of a stretch. What about renters? That's not their estate. It's their stuff in someone else's property. If some nut job goes into your home with the intent to cause harm, you get to do something about it. Why should any individual be allowed to prohibit another person from maintaining that level of protection for themselves and theirs because they walked through their business' doors? Because "that gun sure is scary" to them? A nut job is a nut job and they couldn't give a damn less whether a business owner likes guns or doesn't. Hell, a nut job can go into a place with two battle axes, hatches, a sword, whatever and have infinite ammo to chop limbs and heads off. Airliners were taken down by box-cutters, remember? And you're worried about millions of legal gun owners who harm no one on a daily basis?
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I'm not worried about millions of legal gun owners. I am one. I'm just saying that as a legal gun owner, I'm not willing to step on someone else's rights to determine what happens with their own property.
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I agree with CW3 (Join to see) Property rights are important. Government should not force business to do something contrary to their Ideal no matter how wrong they might be. I am a strong gun rights person and believe that should be little restrictions on gun ownership, but what a private business wants to do on their property is their business.
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Interesting concept; wonder if they caught the news out of Colorado:

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/30/cinemark-aurora-theater-shooting-victims-legal-fees/
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
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Wow! I hadn't seen that CW4 Guy Butler. Thank you for sharing. Definitely gives a different perspective to consider.
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Suing a business for its lack of security was a few people's attempt at a "get rich quick" or to exploit a terrible situation. It's not a theater's job, or a food joint's job to protect people from madmen. Really isn't. A law like this however, does PREVENT or discourage a business from disallowing individuals to maintain their own safety. Prohibiting one from doing so certainly allows for individuals to sue from that angle of personal protection, rather than whether or not the business went out of their way to match airport security. Let's be honest though, all the camera's in the world would not have prevented this, and having armed guards only lends itself to identifying the first one or two targets in the onset of a shooting. Position oneself so that two guards are within a few degrees of each other for target acquisition, they're gone, and it's fish in a barrel al over again. Theater guards, department store security, mall security, and the like are all essentially useless. Citizens need to be able to protect themselves, their families, and others from the vile and the soulless.
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The thing is you could already SUE a business or property if you were injured on it. When you are in a business they are responsible for your safety that's what there is business insurance. I personally just do not conduct business with those "Hunting Zone" establishments. And have told there owner/operators why I take my money elsewhere.

Most businesses that have those signs don't "frisk" you upon entry so unless you are "advertising" you are carrying there is no problem. until the criminals show up and start shooting that is.
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
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I also take my money to more "Gun Friendly" establishments. Thankfully, most of the areas I frequent are fairly low risk to begin with. That being said, I usually have my carry weapon for the same reason I have a fire extinguisher in the house even though I'm a member of the local Vol Fire Dept.
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It's a business' responsibility to ensure people are not hurt by factors of the business' existence. Wet floors, secured ceiling, safe wiring, damaged items, etc. It's absolutely NOT their responsibility to protect individuals from other individuals.
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Walmart was sued for not having Security Cameras in the Parking lot when a woman was attacked. The Movie theaters that did not allow firearms is being sued. The Factor in both of the movie shooting was that they bypassed theaters that did not have "Hunting Zone" signs posted

I even said as much and more when I taught AT at Fort Hood. While nothing could have stopped "Wheels" from his rampage but Walter Reed Leadership doing there job and stopping him there the only why to stop an active shooter is to have armed personnel present to stop the threat.
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