Posted on Jan 3, 2018
Top US commander wants more aggressive Afghan push this year
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how about No!!! To heck with them. Our Nation is the one that constantly is facing attacks. Every year more and more terrorism at home and in other Nations now
. Why should we build up their Nation and have nothing to show for anything, while our Nation further ruins and collapses. Look at our infrastructure, potholes and decay while we deploy over there and risk lives for nothing. Not cheaper oil, not any of their lithium, nothing. We are fighting an endless war there, because it's all about ideas. And we can't win. I support the Troops always and forever, but the heck with these countless wars that do nothing.
Over 16 years and these little expletives can't defend themselves? Not a backbone in their bodies.
When is enough Enough?!!! How many more American and Allied lives are enough? Oncemore, the safety in our home Nations has declined and worsened. We have not accomplished anything in my opinion, and it's with a heavy heart that I say that. I don't want to say that those who sacrificed did nothing, but how long is this damn War going to continue? It has no foreseeable end in sight and I question the motives of this War, it's start, and what we truly get out of it besides just trusting Afghanistan to become more democratic...
Same with Iraq, over 14 years there... When will it end?
. Why should we build up their Nation and have nothing to show for anything, while our Nation further ruins and collapses. Look at our infrastructure, potholes and decay while we deploy over there and risk lives for nothing. Not cheaper oil, not any of their lithium, nothing. We are fighting an endless war there, because it's all about ideas. And we can't win. I support the Troops always and forever, but the heck with these countless wars that do nothing.
Over 16 years and these little expletives can't defend themselves? Not a backbone in their bodies.
When is enough Enough?!!! How many more American and Allied lives are enough? Oncemore, the safety in our home Nations has declined and worsened. We have not accomplished anything in my opinion, and it's with a heavy heart that I say that. I don't want to say that those who sacrificed did nothing, but how long is this damn War going to continue? It has no foreseeable end in sight and I question the motives of this War, it's start, and what we truly get out of it besides just trusting Afghanistan to become more democratic...
Same with Iraq, over 14 years there... When will it end?
Top US commander wants more aggressive Afghan push this year
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I'm torn.
The collapse of ISIS which would have garnered a GREAT deal of media attention had it occurred between 2008-2016 has yet to be recognized. If our forces can follow up success with success then great.
However, to what end? If there is no effective (non-terrorist) Afghan authority, strong enough to maintain power ON THEIR OWN, why would be the point? Please do not present the argument that "we've invested so much there already yudda yudda yudda ..." I'm all for killing the enemy but I'm not for throwing good money after bad and I'm especially not for throwing living servicemembers after dead if that's the only or main reason for doing so.
The collapse of ISIS which would have garnered a GREAT deal of media attention had it occurred between 2008-2016 has yet to be recognized. If our forces can follow up success with success then great.
However, to what end? If there is no effective (non-terrorist) Afghan authority, strong enough to maintain power ON THEIR OWN, why would be the point? Please do not present the argument that "we've invested so much there already yudda yudda yudda ..." I'm all for killing the enemy but I'm not for throwing good money after bad and I'm especially not for throwing living servicemembers after dead if that's the only or main reason for doing so.
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SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres - My "collapse" remark was aimed at one entity i.e. ISIS, not terrorism in general.
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Jose, this is a multi generational conflict. We knew that going in. If that is something you cannot or do not want to do, another line of work might be in order. I don't say that to be a smart ass, it is simply a fact. We will be in the middle east for a long time to come. We are 16 years in. My oldest son was 10 when it started and he ended up in Afghanistan when he was 19 years old as a Marine.
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SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres
I'm no longer in I served 5 years as in Infantryman. Veteran status on here doesn't necessarily mean I'm still serving. We never had a timeline going in, we still don't any sort of plan or strategy and they announce this over the internet, for even our enemies to see and take notice of it. We might not end things in fifty years ( as an older article stated), and we as a Nation need to start taking care of things at home. We have nothing but terrorist attacks at home and the sensible thing to do would be to reopen military bases and increase presence and protection around our borders. We are not safe and haven't been made safer in my opinion from these countless wars. We are headed down the path of Rome - endless wars and a decaying Nation at home...
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
Look, I get that this war seems to be "unwinnable" as you say, but you are contradicting yourself when you say that we can't win it, and yet we need to bring our troops home fight it here instead.
Let me also remind you that the job of the US military (by law) is not to fight within our own borders unless we are actively being attacked by an invading force. Homegrown and lone wolf terrorism does not fit that definition nor can it actively be engaged by our US military. Opening more bases and establishing more of a presence is not the answer here in the US. However, taking the enemy on where they live, train, and receive support by the given host nation is where we can make the difference.
Regardless of whether you believe we can "win" this war or not, the fact remains that we must still fight it. To do otherwise would be similar to giving up on drunk driving, sexual assault, crime in general, or evil for that matter.
Let me also remind you that the job of the US military (by law) is not to fight within our own borders unless we are actively being attacked by an invading force. Homegrown and lone wolf terrorism does not fit that definition nor can it actively be engaged by our US military. Opening more bases and establishing more of a presence is not the answer here in the US. However, taking the enemy on where they live, train, and receive support by the given host nation is where we can make the difference.
Regardless of whether you believe we can "win" this war or not, the fact remains that we must still fight it. To do otherwise would be similar to giving up on drunk driving, sexual assault, crime in general, or evil for that matter.
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Cpl Jeff N.
SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres - Jose, I understand the concern but this is a war we need to fight over there. We also need to limit any sort of immigration from higher risk countries and end chain migration. to make us safer here. I am afraid, the last 8 years the barn door was left open and we have allowed all sorts of radicals in and will be dealing with the death and mayhem they bring with them.
We did not fight these wars the last 8 years to win. In the last 12 months, the caliphate in northern Iraq and Syria has been decimated. Syria is quasi stabilized and the rapid migration/refugee crises has been abated. It isn't perfect because the Russians still control Syria but it is better than it was the last 6-7 years.
This is not an either/or proposition. We have to be able to both fight over there and protect ourselves here. That is not a tall order to fill, we just have to be more aggressive about deporting people with shady pasts and not letting more with shady pasts in.
We did not fight these wars the last 8 years to win. In the last 12 months, the caliphate in northern Iraq and Syria has been decimated. Syria is quasi stabilized and the rapid migration/refugee crises has been abated. It isn't perfect because the Russians still control Syria but it is better than it was the last 6-7 years.
This is not an either/or proposition. We have to be able to both fight over there and protect ourselves here. That is not a tall order to fill, we just have to be more aggressive about deporting people with shady pasts and not letting more with shady pasts in.
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