Posted on May 24, 2018
Trump just presented this retired Navy SEAL with the Medal of Honor for 2002 Afghanistan action
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This "Seal" is a disgrace, and doesn't deserve the Medal of Honor. I wouldn't let him lick my boots. I was under the impression that we (US Military) don't leave anyone behind. PFC (Join to see) SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" LTC Stephen F. CPL Dave Hoover SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth PVT James Strait SSG (Join to see) Capt Dwayne Conyers CPT Jack Durish Sgt Wayne Wood
Trump just presented this retired Navy SEAL with the Medal of Honor for 2002 Afghanistan action
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Ta hell you say! The battlefields which the military have served are strewn with dead and lost, left behind folks. Many (read that a shitload) Medals of Honor have gone to folks who saved a few others and then kept thrashing essentially leaving the wounded and dead behind in order to clear the objective. Go to the library and get one of the several books that have the citations and back stories on MOH holders.
We are also bringing in the dead and missing in action from battlefields fought on as far back as the civil war and burying those troops still today and in that way fulfilling "never leave a fallen comrade".
From what I've read this cat humped another troop off the battlefield through snow ass deep, under heavy fire from the enemy, that alone says he's no disgrace.
To label anyone that served with any level of valor a disgrace is absolute horse shit.
We are also bringing in the dead and missing in action from battlefields fought on as far back as the civil war and burying those troops still today and in that way fulfilling "never leave a fallen comrade".
From what I've read this cat humped another troop off the battlefield through snow ass deep, under heavy fire from the enemy, that alone says he's no disgrace.
To label anyone that served with any level of valor a disgrace is absolute horse shit.
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"I was under the impression that we (US Military) don't leave anyone behind." - Ever hear of Wake Island? Platitudes are nice, but often fall short of reality.
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Cpl Jeff N.
It is a commitment made to create a sense of loyalty to each other but it cannot always be honored as you mentioned. In large wars and battles people are left behind, captured, wounded and lost on the confusion etc. Sometimes entire garrisons are captured. You mentioned Wake Island, a larger one was Corregidor. Lots of people left behind there as well. It is not the desired outcome and it is not the commitment we make to each other but history tells us it does happen.
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That being said, General MacArthur balked at the orders from President Roosevelt when he received him; he never wanted to leave his men behind on the Bataan Peninsula. He was ready and willing to fight alongside his men to death instead of surrender. However we must also obey the orders of those who preside over us, and he eventually fled on a PT boat to Melbourne. He was an important commander to the war with decades of experience; he couldn't be lost to the enemy.
One way or the other, sacrifices will always have to be made. It's incredibly difficult when you are the one who has to make them, and sometimes you will make a bad call. Like you said, history tells us that sometimes there are few other options.
One way or the other, sacrifices will always have to be made. It's incredibly difficult when you are the one who has to make them, and sometimes you will make a bad call. Like you said, history tells us that sometimes there are few other options.
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Cpl Jeff N.
MacArthur balking or immediately following his orders is not relevant to the issue. The Garrison surrendered, thousands were left behind to go into imprisonment, the Bataan death march, torture, forced labor and murder for the next 4+ years.
I am not suggesting there was anything that could have been done to prevent the surrender at Corregidor, the outcome actually supports the concept that we do have to leave people behind on the battlefield sometimes. It is unavoidable.
Roosevelt used a concept that Churchill had used earlier in the war in Europe as the British were retreating on mainland Europe against the Germans. When a garrison became smaller due to either plucking troops out (Dunkirk for example), attrition, realignment etc. he would pluck senior leaders out of the field as the size of the unit no longer required a more senior officer to lead it.
I am not suggesting there was anything that could have been done to prevent the surrender at Corregidor, the outcome actually supports the concept that we do have to leave people behind on the battlefield sometimes. It is unavoidable.
Roosevelt used a concept that Churchill had used earlier in the war in Europe as the British were retreating on mainland Europe against the Germans. When a garrison became smaller due to either plucking troops out (Dunkirk for example), attrition, realignment etc. he would pluck senior leaders out of the field as the size of the unit no longer required a more senior officer to lead it.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
All good examples of how "leave no man behind" is a platitude. A platitude because it sounds good and strives for an ideal, but it does not always reflect the reality of a situation. A cardinal rule in the cold calculus of combat is not to reinforce failure - not personal or moral failure, but failure of the plan or operation. Platitudes are derived from principles and can instill the right kind of mindset, but can leave a gaping hole in a person when they fail to live up to the sentiment, many times through no fault or failing of their own.
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There has been much controversy over this event. Its sad when politics becomes involved, but that's with most everything these days. It would seem that TSgt Chapman fought valiantly to the end, and many brave men served courageously during the battle. Since I wasn't there I have to rely on others for the merit of this award. It seems he has certainly served with distinction in the past. Some brave pilots and operators across the board served honorably during this battle. I defer to those with the facts, but I've read some of the dialogue in the USAF vs USN debate. I'm just sorry for all that lost their lives and hope the families will find relative peace.
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1SG Javier "Elvis" Martinez - I'm not too far from Memphis and we've known for years that Elvis was alive. Best wishes 1stSgt.
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