Posted on Jun 13, 2019
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Yes, Iran has a lot of land. BUT, the land we really care about is the part near the Straits of Hormuz. If we secure that, the Iranians can not harm critical shipping lanes. Why not give the Kurds that part of Iran as punishment, and then put a US Base there which gives US the strategic base we desire. It can host a reaction force, intelligence operations, and be our new DLI for Farsi and Arab languages. There could be a lot of strat change to the theater. Remember, US troops in Germany since 1945 to present is the longest without war. Japan has US troops and no war. When Iran had US base until 1979...there was no war. This can be something to bring peace to the area.
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Thinking about the money aspect, how would you push something like this up the chain?
I assume you would have to convince the Joint Chiefs of Staff who in turn would convince the president. Then, you would have to convince Congress, but would such a venture seems unrealistic.
Isn't Congress already resisting a proposed 5% increase to the DoD budget?
I assume you would have to convince the Joint Chiefs of Staff who in turn would convince the president. Then, you would have to convince Congress, but would such a venture seems unrealistic.
Isn't Congress already resisting a proposed 5% increase to the DoD budget?
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
If Iran destroyed two of our ships today....what do you think your gov should do? Let more ships get hit? Or hit back at Iran.
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1LT (Join to see)
SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint I don't know. It seems like a tough call to me, in light of what actually works towards peace and reconciliation in the area and in discussion with the budget.
But perhaps I am ignoring the significance of the threat? I did just listen to Ash Carter explain CRIKT and strategic difficulties unique to America. Maybe his lines of thought would support some of the things your saying. I'm just trying to challenge myself by bring money into the conversation. A couple of mentors have recently commented to me how often money is not factored into our geopolitics and/or can change the conversation.
But perhaps I am ignoring the significance of the threat? I did just listen to Ash Carter explain CRIKT and strategic difficulties unique to America. Maybe his lines of thought would support some of the things your saying. I'm just trying to challenge myself by bring money into the conversation. A couple of mentors have recently commented to me how often money is not factored into our geopolitics and/or can change the conversation.
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
1LT (Join to see) - So, do you think that the Civil War was cost effective to fight? Should we have fought in WWII? Germany and Japan would be nice to us?
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SGT Mary G.
SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint - You're talking about declared wars which are a thing of the past in our nation - even though we are engaged in endless armed conflict - which results in it being a situation of "cognitive dissonance".
But the issue is about trying to start an unnecessary, and costly, war.
But the issue is about trying to start an unnecessary, and costly, war.
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The U.S. has double-crossed the Kurds so often . . . why would they want to trust us? And while we might want to cavalierly envision these possibilities as being no different than moving around pieces on a chess board, the reality of such possibilities is much more brutal and far reaching in a number of damaging ways which do our nation no good.
Traditionally Oman has had total control of the comings and goings through the Strait, essentially protecting the entirety of the Gulf. In modern times this is not done in an vacuum, even though the need for securing fresh water at Oman's Musandam Governorate is no longer as pressing as when it was the last outpost for ships in ancient time to take on fresh water and receive Oman's permission to go through the Strait.
Given the long time relationship between Oman and U.S.A. (one of first if not 1st to recognize us as a nation after the Revolution) and given the Sultan's skill and ability to mediate negotiations between and among nations with disparate policies, I vote for continuing to trust Oman's position regarding the Strait. That Oman and Iran are neighbors and have been nearly forever, without armed conflict, means they have the ability to rationally communicate. Even with modern 12 miles limits of both nations, each nation can decide what ships come and go through their 12 mile territory. Do they consult with one another and agree on that? I don't know.
It would behoove us to keep in mind the number of nations bordering the Gulf opposite Iran. They all need to exit through Hormuz, and they all have strong militaries. Iran, does not have to depend on getting through Hormuz given southern access. I say leave the Strait of Hormuz alone. It simply is not our immediate neighborhood, and to continue to try to create enmity in the region is a fool's errand when the name of the game, in reality, is peaceful coexistence.
Oman is key when it comes to the Strait, and it would be wise to continue to respect its traditional position. Only concern is who the next Sultan might be if Qaboos' health has not improved and he most likely has that covered.
Traditionally Oman has had total control of the comings and goings through the Strait, essentially protecting the entirety of the Gulf. In modern times this is not done in an vacuum, even though the need for securing fresh water at Oman's Musandam Governorate is no longer as pressing as when it was the last outpost for ships in ancient time to take on fresh water and receive Oman's permission to go through the Strait.
Given the long time relationship between Oman and U.S.A. (one of first if not 1st to recognize us as a nation after the Revolution) and given the Sultan's skill and ability to mediate negotiations between and among nations with disparate policies, I vote for continuing to trust Oman's position regarding the Strait. That Oman and Iran are neighbors and have been nearly forever, without armed conflict, means they have the ability to rationally communicate. Even with modern 12 miles limits of both nations, each nation can decide what ships come and go through their 12 mile territory. Do they consult with one another and agree on that? I don't know.
It would behoove us to keep in mind the number of nations bordering the Gulf opposite Iran. They all need to exit through Hormuz, and they all have strong militaries. Iran, does not have to depend on getting through Hormuz given southern access. I say leave the Strait of Hormuz alone. It simply is not our immediate neighborhood, and to continue to try to create enmity in the region is a fool's errand when the name of the game, in reality, is peaceful coexistence.
Oman is key when it comes to the Strait, and it would be wise to continue to respect its traditional position. Only concern is who the next Sultan might be if Qaboos' health has not improved and he most likely has that covered.
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
You are so correct about the Kurds. I wonder if our paths have passed in the past. Not a lot of people know about the Kurds.
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SGT Mary G.
Don't think our paths have crossed SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint although I was in high school with folks whose surname is Lint. Areas studies, here, started decades ago, so a long term regional interest. But I also know Kurdish folks, and am familiar with numerous issues pertinent to folks in primarily the Arabic speaking region and those who have left it and still have family there. Most of the issues are also pertinent to folks in the U.S. (though so many do not know it) because of our nation not being an "honest broker", for the most part, in the region. That has put us and has kept us in deep kimchi. We would not have had to depend on faulty intelligence about the region (and still do so) if we had done more, earlier, as needed, to train and use our own area specialists.
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