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LTC David Brown
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“If you are not a socialist when you are young you have no heart, if you are a socialist when you get old you have no sense!” Winston Churchill
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PFC David Foster
PFC David Foster
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They are just expanding on something that works great, public schools, it works great for kids between 6 to 18, why not expand it for kids a little younger? Have you looked at how expensive child care is, parts single parents especially can't afford to pay child care and run a household to be able to work? We are just saying the same thing over and over. I get it, you don't like the programs.
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PFC David Foster
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LTC David Brown - Nor have I or anyone in my family, but I am compassionate to those who need it. Unfortunately, we have doctors that bend the rules and let people in without really needing it, but should we quit it for all the people that do need it because of a few bad apples?
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Lt Col Mark Avery
Lt Col Mark Avery
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That's great, PFC David Foster - being compassionate to those who need it is exactly where most of us are. Those people respond by responsibly meeting the individual needs they see. Unfortunately, the government absolutely must not be the source of that because it rarely acts responsibly or individually - it uses one size fit all approaches. That hurts more people than it helps, both those from whom it is forcibly taken and those to whom it is irresponsibly given. It's not the doctors bending the rules - it's the government forcing them to take everyone and people demanding what they want whether appropriate or not. When the entitlement mentality becomes normalized, personal motivation is lost. Yes, the government should stop this completely, return the resources to the people who earned it, then let compassionate individuals meet the needs they see. Until the "Great Society" reforms designed to turn large swaths of the electorate into Democrat voters were implemented, that is precisely how charity worked - by individuals helping others voluntarily, often as a part of their faith expressions. We should return to that model, but it will be almost impossible because the reforms did exactly what they intended. Nothing short of a wholesale reawakening or total economic collapse is likely to make those changes possible, and I seriously hope it won't be the latter. Unfortunately, the former is the only sure way to avoid the latter, and that seems unlikely also.
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PFC David Foster -
People make the decision to have children. It is not the responsibility of taxpayers to subsidize the cost of the children by paying people money every month for each child they have, then paying for their childcare, then paying for Pre-K, along with grades 1-12 which is already covered.
Democrats want to enact all the above policies, with no work requirements, and no pay caps. If all the above was enacted, the parents wouldn't be required to spend any time with their children from birth to college except weekends and evenings.
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SPC Erich Guenther
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Because they have nothing between the ears. In order for us to become even Socialist would require the expenditure of trillions of dollars to develop the infrastructure. You'll hear people say we are socialist already......they are equally stupid and have never even researched the subject with any level of depth. Almost everything the United States does is based on Private Industry. From our Health Insurance Industry which makes a mere $31 Billion a year in profit (only a 3.8% margin....about the cost of capital) insuring between 91 and 92 of the population of the United States in one form or another. We have liberals foaming at the mouth pointing to the tiny 8% underinsured and attempting to guilt the rest of us into a massively inefficient, much more expensive, and bureaucratic system that everyone would hate. Why not just target and address the underinsured vs scraping our existing system? Got to ask the Liberals that one, I can't explain it. Anyways back to Socialism and Communism, our banking system and Treasury Dept are largely privately run with highly efficient private IT systems the government could never hope to duplicate. Our privately run freight railroad system is the most efficient in the world and the envy of the world. Our airline and Interstate Highway system a close second. All that would be scrapped or nationalized under socialism or communism. Thats just transportation and health care. I could go on and on into other areas but I think two subject areas are enough to prove the point that even consideration of socialism and communism are non starters.
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PFC David Foster
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They don't, not in America, what they like is Democratic Socialism, and they like it because it doesn't make any sense for health insurance companies to make trillions of dollars to keep us healthy.
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PFC David Foster -
There is a reason why all aspiring socialists don't go to Finland. Perception isn't reality.
There is also a reason why far more people move to the US each year than US citizens moving to other Countries including Finland.

The payrate is higher in Finland, but does not take into account taxes.
Assuming a 20.00 an hour pay; annual income is 41,600. Take away 8320 for individual taxes and you are left with 33,280 which is now about $16.00 an hour.
Finland is strict on people paying taxes. Failure to pay will result in jail time.

Almost everything has much higher taxes called VAT than in the US, reaching 24% for many products and over 50% for products such as gas. This means that $16.00 an hour is n't getting you as much as you would get in a Country with lower taxes. For instance, filling an economy car with 20 gallons of gas will cost you approx $180.

Health care is free, but underfunded. It seems to be equivalent to Medicare in many ways. There are long waiting lines and it is very difficult to schedule an appointment. There are many people in Finland who pay privately for their health care to avoid this.
The articles I provided are not propaganda, please read it again. As one writer stated, it is up to the individual to make a choice.

As for 30 days paid vacation, it is nice to have and is available in the US if you are in the military.
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PFC David Foster
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MSG (Join to see) - Yes, I was in the military. I am aware of all that stuff, Finland is not a Socialist country. Why don't people in the military think citizens deserve just as much vacation time as they do? All people get 30 days' pay vacation just about everywhere in Europe, even the poor countries like Bulgaria.
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PFC David Foster -
Finland is a Republic, but it has Socialist policies.
I can't speak for all military, but in my opinion, the military is on duty 24/7 365 days a year.
You can be called in at any time, be kept in late, made to work 7 days straight, sent wherever the military wants to send you, and you don't get 1 penny more for working 18-hour days or an 8-hour day. You can't quit. Basically, the military earns that vacation time.
In the civilian world, Federal laws apply. If you agree to work at a place, they have to pay you the agreed amount, this includes overtime. You can leave whenever you want.

A major reason why civilian businesses don't offer 30 days paid vacation is money. Who is paying for it? In the civilian world, customers pay for it by higher cost of products.
For civilian businesses, particularly smaller ones, that cost may be the difference between flourishing or going out of business.
Many businesses are able to function with a small percentage of personnel missing for a short period of time, when people are gone several weeks to a month, depending on the position, they may have to find someone else to take that person's place. If they are paying the person an entire month's wages, then they are now paying 2 people for the same time period.

As for the statement that just about everywhere in Europe, people get paid 30 days leave, that isn't entirely true.
Finland for example doesn't require leave to part time workers. To qualify for certain benefits, you must have a valid right to work certificate and a contract for the company that you work for.
Germany provides a requirement of 24 paid leave days IF you work full time, 6 days a week. Otherwise, it is 20 days for a 5-day work week.
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Lt Col Mark Avery
Lt Col Mark Avery
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For what it's worth, insurance companies don't keep anyone healthy. For that matter, neither does the traditional medicine industry. Rarely to either of those cover you until you are sick, then give you chemicals and surgeries to remove symptoms without fixing the root causes. The whole system is broken, but there are "radicals" who are more focused on better nutrition and health.
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