Posted on May 25, 2024
Why Were Economists Wrong About a 2023 Recession?
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Let me point out the fallacy of all this economic forecasting.
Since Bill Clinton, the Economy has slowly been splitting into the financialization side and the side of the economy that either produces a product or provides a need service. What as really happened is that the financial side has just spent several decades swindling the working class, then getting them to foot the bill when it goes bad. That's what happening again.
Even as far back as 2008, the Bailouts did not save the economy, it rewarded those that had profited for the Housing Debacle by handing them free money and that continues today. Quantitative Easing is just that, print free money and then letting the financial side charge you to use it.
Since Bill Clinton, the Economy has slowly been splitting into the financialization side and the side of the economy that either produces a product or provides a need service. What as really happened is that the financial side has just spent several decades swindling the working class, then getting them to foot the bill when it goes bad. That's what happening again.
Even as far back as 2008, the Bailouts did not save the economy, it rewarded those that had profited for the Housing Debacle by handing them free money and that continues today. Quantitative Easing is just that, print free money and then letting the financial side charge you to use it.
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SPC Jeff Daley, PhD
CPT Lawrence Cable - Respectfully, the economic forecasting is not in debate in this article. It's included as facts in the article. The article expresses our economic history, where we are today, and where we could be. No fallacy included, backed by facts and supported with relevant citations.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SPC Jeff Daley, PhD - Oh, numbers. Decrease om median income adjusted; https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N
U6 Unemployment Rate (a more realistic look at unemployment) : https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/u6rate
Median home prices. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS
Historic Fuel Prices: https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epmr_pte_nus_dpg&f=m
More on Income by quintile. https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2023/09/13/u-s-household-incomes-a-50-year-perspective
Used Car Sales https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?graph_id=970099#:~:text=Domestic%20auto%20production%20is%20defined%20as,all%20autos%20assembled%20in%20the%20U.S.
So a 5%+decrease in the Median income in the bottom three Quintiles, one out of 14 unemployed (I really don't believe this number, too low, but it serves my point), while the cost of fuel is up 33%, home prices up 23% (higher in my area), used car market has tanked, and I didn't even try to calculate grocery prices (Up) or healthcare cost (Way Up).
What is the real rate of inflation, 15%,20% or more?
That is not the signs of a healthy economy.
And they wonder why people vote for Trump.
U6 Unemployment Rate (a more realistic look at unemployment) : https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/u6rate
Median home prices. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS
Historic Fuel Prices: https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epmr_pte_nus_dpg&f=m
More on Income by quintile. https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2023/09/13/u-s-household-incomes-a-50-year-perspective
Used Car Sales https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?graph_id=970099#:~:text=Domestic%20auto%20production%20is%20defined%20as,all%20autos%20assembled%20in%20the%20U.S.
So a 5%+decrease in the Median income in the bottom three Quintiles, one out of 14 unemployed (I really don't believe this number, too low, but it serves my point), while the cost of fuel is up 33%, home prices up 23% (higher in my area), used car market has tanked, and I didn't even try to calculate grocery prices (Up) or healthcare cost (Way Up).
What is the real rate of inflation, 15%,20% or more?
That is not the signs of a healthy economy.
And they wonder why people vote for Trump.
Real Median Household Income in the United States
View the inflation-adjusted value of the 50th percentile of the U.S. income distribution, as estimated by the Census Bureau.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SPC Jeff Daley, PhD - And a source even more pessimistic than me. https://internationalman.com/articles/david-stockman-on-the-continual-rise-in-the-cost-of-living-and-why-the-fed-has-no-shame/
David Stockman on the Continual Rise in the Cost of Living… And Why the Fed has No Shame
The US economy needs a lot more relief from its recent inflationary pounding than the Fed’s guesstimated rate of slowdown in the forward year rise of the price level.
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