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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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CW5 Jack Cardwell with the number of hipsters who hang out at Starbucks all day anyway, it already smells like patchouli and failure so why not add homeless folks. It would class up the place. Not to mention they are a coffee shop that does not have good coffee.
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CW5 Jack Cardwell
CW5 Jack Cardwell
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terrible coffee for sure PO3 Steven Sherrill
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Capt Daniel Goodman
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I read the bulk of the piece...here's the thing I'm thinking about the whole thing...I'd seen that whole thing about the restroom stuff, I get what happened...however, what happens with large ubiquitous corporate entities is that, sooner or later, they become entrenched in sociologic mentality as not being merely private stores, but actually akin to the kind of thing that happens at malls, which is the closest analogy I can instantly bring to mind. Obviously malls are private, just as any company that sells things is a private concern, certainly. However, when a large entity, as with any major fast-food chain, starts assuming such a sociologically ubiquitous role, any hoity-toity or frou-frou air, if you will, is gonna eventually wind up going out the window, sooner or later. People don't think of general products, they think of specific brands...that's just life, brand names substitute for many products in the course of normal conversation. And, unfortunately, if somebody needs to use a restroom, good, bad, or indifferent, what are you gonna do, start charging everyone who needs to use a john? I think there'd actually been a whole case about such things at one point, legally, I vaguely recall reading about it, that you can't just force someone who's having a call of nature to dig into their pockets for a quarter, otherwise, they're just outta luck...to me, the same logic applies here. Now, at the same time, there's a certain word that's been kinda excised from the English language of late, it's kinda out of use and/or favor in the lexicon of idiomatic verbiage, if you will, and that word is vagrancy...I mean, think about it, if you will, OK? How often does one hear the term "vagrant" used any longer? Pretty much never, quite honestly...and, basically, that's the true crux of the problem brought out in the article, the same thing has been debated for years about bus terminals, train stations, etc, etc, etc...somebody needs to use a john, a kid needs to use a john, what are you gonna insist on, that they get a coffee ever single time just to be allowed? Now, at the same time, you can't just let private companies, in the interest of public goodwill, be forced to become hostels for vagrants, if you will, that's not fair either, let alone all the possible abuse of such corporate good nature that might inevitably occur. So, laws are gonna have to be instituted to say specifically, OK, public rest rooms in a corporate entity, if there's a public business license issued, part and parcel is a willingness of the business to assume at least that much of a public role. At the same time, does that give the public the right to put their feet up and try to live there? Obviously not...however, balancing such aspects are why God and Congress invented the Supreme Court...there's an interesting quote I'd read by Assoc. Justice Robert H. Jackson, the one who'd been the senior Nuremberg prosecutor, about the Supreme Court, it basically went pretty much like this: "The Supreme Court isn't final because it's infallible, it's infallible basically because it's final." Sooner or later, the Supreme Court is gonna have to decide where and how to put the brakes on such usage of business entities to serve the public good, either that or Congress, or the Executive Branch...my point is, would a corporate entity ever be allowed to become a homeless shelter? Certainly not, if real abuses take place, the social pendulum is bound to swing in the opposite direction...however, till it does, large major businesses, as good corporate citizens, are just likely to find themselves, inevitably, needing to bend to at least the same extent as recounted in the article here, if only because, good bad, or indifferent, sooner or later, everyone's just gonna have a call of nature, you know? Those are my thoughts, such as they are, I'm obviously not expecting to be agreed with, I just found the problem interesting for the reasons I'd tried to explain, I'd be most eager for any thoughts, certainly, many thanks, hope was of at least some level of interest.
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CPL Dave Hoover
CPL Dave Hoover
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As some who has had to use the bathroom, like 5 minutes ago, I get that side of it. As a former manager of fast food restaurants, I see the costs involved as far as toilet paper, paper towels, soap, wages for the people cleaning. Also seen drug paraphernalia left in bathrooms, a 6 year old wanders in. When I say I see both sides, I really do brother. Good line of thought Daniel.
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Capt Daniel Goodman
Capt Daniel Goodman
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I was kinda was hoping you'd all get a kick outta that one...however, I obviously perceive your point on the flip side, certainly....
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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Sure this also didn't fall under humor sir?
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