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LTC Vindman retires, was he right or wrong? What about the second and third order effects?
Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
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As members of the military we take an oath to uphold lawful and dutiful orders. Vindman had no right to listen on to President Trump's phone calls. Donald Trump was duly elected by the American people, we didn't elect LTC Vindman. Vindman is creature of the deep institution that is the Pentagon and the State Department. However, what he did is nothing new.
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I believe LTC Vindman was right. I believe his actions were justified and correct. The whole cover up business that others keep condoning is an example and aberration of cover up culture. You are either morally bankrupt or honest with no in between or grey area, those living in grey areas are in denial. The Constitution is the will of the People and should never be compromised for anyone. Including a 4F POTUS using influence granted to him, to coerce a foreign govt official to investigate a political rival. If you think LTC Vindman was wrong, you probably think the attack on the Capital was Orchestrated by everyone except ex- POTUS Donald Trump.
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Should have been court martial education! Stripped of all rank and entitlement.
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Link is broken. However.
Vindman was wrong in every way. If he had a real concern it would have been done so, in the proper manner, through the chain of command. A very simple principle drilled into every member of the armed services, whether commissioned or enlisted.
I do not believe he did this.
From all available information we can reasonably deduce that he:
1. Wanted to sway an election.
2. Wanted to profit.
This is indisputable.
To answer the question how do current service members remain apolitical?
It starts with refusing. Refusing to get political, choosing to not get promoted if it requires you to act against your oath and your morals and values. Blow the whistle on those that present you with an ultimatum for promotion.
Officers are supposed to be the example for the enlisted, our leaders. Recently, the officer ranks have become a clown show. The weak ones willing to play ball get promoted and the ones who speak out and do what's right are punished, true leaders like Lieutenant Colonel Stuart Scheller.
It starts with policing your own. If enlisted acted in such a manner the officers would rain down hellfire. Practice what you preach, set the example, tell politicians to shove off this includes the senior officers that have already sold their rank.
Oh, also don't dismiss the veteran community so easily. We are the ones that have the greatest ability to drive change. We are no longer bound by the contract and can speak freely.
Vindman was wrong in every way. If he had a real concern it would have been done so, in the proper manner, through the chain of command. A very simple principle drilled into every member of the armed services, whether commissioned or enlisted.
I do not believe he did this.
From all available information we can reasonably deduce that he:
1. Wanted to sway an election.
2. Wanted to profit.
This is indisputable.
To answer the question how do current service members remain apolitical?
It starts with refusing. Refusing to get political, choosing to not get promoted if it requires you to act against your oath and your morals and values. Blow the whistle on those that present you with an ultimatum for promotion.
Officers are supposed to be the example for the enlisted, our leaders. Recently, the officer ranks have become a clown show. The weak ones willing to play ball get promoted and the ones who speak out and do what's right are punished, true leaders like Lieutenant Colonel Stuart Scheller.
It starts with policing your own. If enlisted acted in such a manner the officers would rain down hellfire. Practice what you preach, set the example, tell politicians to shove off this includes the senior officers that have already sold their rank.
Oh, also don't dismiss the veteran community so easily. We are the ones that have the greatest ability to drive change. We are no longer bound by the contract and can speak freely.
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Just as an addendum to this conversation: Vindman has admitted he lied to Congress.
https://libertyonenews.com/dems-hero-whistleblower-admits-he-lied-
https://libertyonenews.com/dems-hero-whistleblower-admits-he-lied-
Dem’s Hero Whistleblower Admits He Lied To Congress Under Oath
NSC leaker Lt. Col. Alexander Vindmantestified on day 3 of the Adam Schiff Show Trial. On that day, House Intelligence Committee Devin Nunes (R-CA) asked Vindman if he had discussed Trump's phone call with anyone
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LTJG Sandra Smith my favorites are Associated Press, Reuters, ABC, CBS, The Economist, Wall Street Journal. For deep diving specific subjects I enjoy PBS and Christian Science Monitor. For a European perspective, I tune into BBC broadcasts, and The Guardian for European deep diving. Read many online professional medical journals, and am a certified Lay Chaplain, so also read a variety of spiritually based publications.
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LTC (Join to see) How about you? I avoid CNN and FOX like the plague. Blech.
Online read everything that interests me, but actually Google on their sources. Dont trust anything that is important to me online without checking info against fact checkers, unbiased news sources.
I believe there are people publishing online from basements and strip malls that dont have good information or are trying to benefit their bottom line in some way but dont care about USA or people in general or just get off on a bully pulpit because they are not well.
Online read everything that interests me, but actually Google on their sources. Dont trust anything that is important to me online without checking info against fact checkers, unbiased news sources.
I believe there are people publishing online from basements and strip malls that dont have good information or are trying to benefit their bottom line in some way but dont care about USA or people in general or just get off on a bully pulpit because they are not well.
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LTC (Join to see) Yes, they are. I listen to OANN mostly, sometimes Newsmax, or America's Voice, read a bariety of online sites like Epoch Times, New American , for general news. Times of Israel & a couple of other Israeli sites, some Christian sites, health sites, science sites, & military sites, beside Rally Point.
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How can we be apolitical? How about delete this post? That’s a good start… stop teaching CRT. I’m an immigrant who got here in the US at 20yo. Im still serving as well my only two children. We consider ourselves Americans! Stop whining.
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