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LTC Vindman retires, was he right or wrong? What about the second and third order effects?
Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
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When he put his faith in Adam Schiff helping him he showed very poor judgment and is lucky he got out of it all well as he did.
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You people are worried about him! The military is changing our ways! We are no longer a fighting force!
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Honestly, if I had no UCMJ pending over my past duty, I would have at least stuck around to see what the promotion board did. Though I could never see myself as an Officer, I liked the Enlisted path better. It's his decision though to stay on or resign, I have no idea what the other inputs were to his decision so I can't really fault him for retiring when he did but by the same token I reject the narrative that he had no other choice because he retired before the other shoe dropped sort to speak.
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He was dead wrong. I posted earlier the specific articles of the UCMJ that he should have gone to court martial for. The most serious one makes room for the death penalty.
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All officers, warrant officers, noncoms, and enlisted men have a duty to be honest and to report all crimes and acts that violate our oath, honor, code of conduct, and the laws of our land. No matter who violates our laws!
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Vman testified during the Trump kangaroo trial that HE was responsible for setting US policy towards Ukraine.
I immediately imagined Lt VMan as a Platoon leader setting Company policy and as Company Commander setting policy for his battalion.
He was lying POS
I immediately imagined Lt VMan as a Platoon leader setting Company policy and as Company Commander setting policy for his battalion.
He was lying POS
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From LTC(R) Vindman's testimony, "I was concerned by the call, what I heard was improper, and I reported my concerns to Mr. Eisenberg. It is improper for the President of the United States to demand a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen and political opponent. It was also clear that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the 2016 election, the Bidens, and Burisma, it would be interpreted as a partisan play." Note that he states, 'concerned', 'improper', 'interpret'. Did the LTC(R) honestly believe that our government NEVER asks a foreign government to look into things, ever? How did the LTC(R) come to the conclusion that an investigation into Burisma and the Bidens would be 'clear'ly interpreted as partisan? Is he a political reporter or pollster? Who is a LTC to decide what is 'improper' on a call between 2 leaders of different countries? In the end, his assessment of the call came down to personal feeling and assessments, not based on anything legal or illegal. If nothing he heard was against any standing U.S. or Military Law, then his job was to listen and shut the F up. He decided to dabble into the world of politics, hoping that if the current POTUS was removed, he would be substantially rewarded for his actions. He gambled and he lost, not nearly as much as he should have.
LTC Vinman had a Chain of Command that he completely ignored in favor of putting himself in a public spotlight so far out of his lane it was embarrassing. Had he entered my Inspector General office to voice his concerns, my first question to him would have been, "Have you brought this to the attention of your Chain of Command?" A "Commander in Chief;" any person holding that position, has a legal right to remove or reassign ANY Commissioned Officer for cause. LTC Vinman gambled and lost. The Constitution of the United States provides for a "Civilian" Commander in Chief. That's the individual every Commissioned Officer ultimately reports to. Everyone is welcome to their personal opinion on any issue whatsoever. Acting on them while ignoring a Chain of Command is a very slippery slope, as LTC Vinman found out to his extreme displeasure (read history = President Truman fired General Douglas MacArthur). Vent and rail privately against any perceived wrong or injustice to your heart's content...after all, that's any soldier's right to do. But think first before ignoring your Chain of Command and publicly involving/exposing yourself in political issues. Bottom line? Stay in your lane and as far away from politics as possible. Voice your displeasure at the Voting Box.
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