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Posted 4 y ago
I know a lot of people may say something like the new generation is weak or soft, but this is 100% NCO business. If this is a serious thing that is happening, we need to look at the standards and our enlisted leaders.
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SSG (Join to see)
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I’m going to go out on a limb here and partially disagree.
Yes it’s an NCO affair and we should handle it to the best of our abilities. but what Joe does on Joe time I can’t really handle. As an NCO and also fitness professional (went to school for it(not an army school but college) I can give classes, kick his rear during PT and show Joe the door all day. But If he’s killing 2 packs a day, eating pizza and MickeyD downing a 6er of Mikes hard and not going to the gym on his free time he’s not going to get much better. Joe has to actually want to get better and invest the time
Yes it’s an NCO affair and we should handle it to the best of our abilities. but what Joe does on Joe time I can’t really handle. As an NCO and also fitness professional (went to school for it(not an army school but college) I can give classes, kick his rear during PT and show Joe the door all day. But If he’s killing 2 packs a day, eating pizza and MickeyD downing a 6er of Mikes hard and not going to the gym on his free time he’s not going to get much better. Joe has to actually want to get better and invest the time
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SSG Carlos Madden
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SSG (Join to see) - I can respect that. Some Joes just don't want to be there and there's not much anyone can do about it.
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SSgt Jim Gilmore
4 y
I think it is a combination of factors. The first being what you noted and additionally the long and protracted conflicts we are involved in is taking a physical toll on the men and women serving in harms way on a repeated basis. During Vietnam we had one year tours and for most, that was it. Some, like me, were gluttons for punishment and went back a second and in some cases a third or more. We had time to recover. We also were not humping around 100lbs of body armor either. You can't ask a soldier to keep going on deployments and still maintain peacetime standards.
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Posted 4 y ago
They don’t care to excel on their own and expect Leaders to hand hold them to success. PRT is the bare minimum to stay in shape. If they are doing everything in their power to stay out of shape outside of that timeframe, they become lackadaisical In their wellness.
Then those 250s turn into 210s turn into failing one event for the first time. Which leads to overtraining or crash dieting, which leads to unhealthy habits which leads to another failure. Which leads to a chapter initiation. Which leads to complaints on rally point “but I’m good at my job! I barely failed! My squad leader didn’t help me!”
Then those 250s turn into 210s turn into failing one event for the first time. Which leads to overtraining or crash dieting, which leads to unhealthy habits which leads to another failure. Which leads to a chapter initiation. Which leads to complaints on rally point “but I’m good at my job! I barely failed! My squad leader didn’t help me!”
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Posted 4 y ago
So I see it with my guys all the time, they get out of OSUT, and go buck wild with partying drinking heavy smoking all the cigarettes and eating wrong. As a leader I give them all the tools I can for training, classes on proper nutrition, how to train properly, what they need to train. But what he does on the weekend and after hours I have very little control over.
Pretty much what it comes down to is Joe gets complacent and lazy. Hell, I did it myself as a young lance corporal.
Pretty much what it comes down to is Joe gets complacent and lazy. Hell, I did it myself as a young lance corporal.
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SPC (Join to see)
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So as I team leader, beyond leading by example, how do I convince Joe to do PT and make the right choices on his free time?
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SSG (Join to see)
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What I try to do as a squad leader is once my dudes are done with work for the day I’ll kick them to the gym. Free workout just as a leader make sure they’re doing the right stuff. Maybe get with your leadership and I hate having to incentivize PT but for us if you get a 300 you get gym PT in the morning SPC (Join to see)
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SPC (Join to see)
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SSG (Join to see) we incentivize by telling Joe he gets to pt with the 1sg if he has 300. That shit isn't an incentive lol. I can only imagine who put that in place *cough* (Top)
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