Posted on Jun 4, 2019
1LT(P) Quartermaster Officer
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I have a Cadet that failed to properly utilize the CoC to ask me if he could be excused from Annual Training to attend a months-long internship across the country. He's known about the internship for months, but waited to tell the unit until today, two days after he had left.

Apparently he initially called our brand new training NCO to get his orders rescinded, and upon being told that wasn't possible at that NCO's level, attempted to call the Commander once before taking matters into his own hands and just deciding to go anyway. He knows as a "3rd LT" in our unit that all the Os including him report to me as I am the XO.

My CDR is understandably pissed, and wants me to counsel him so we can begin the process to get him moved to a different unit. Should I counsel him for failure to communicate with chain of command about his plans now, and then give him another for being AWOL once AT starts, or roll both the counselings into one? Anyone have a counseling example for failure to communicate/plan/set an example, so that I don't have to recreate the wheel?
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SFC Marc W.
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If this is how he/she acts as a cadet, I don't want them "leading" my platoon. This is how we get LT's that murder a village.
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My thoughts too. He can't manage his own business. How will he manage soliders?
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SFC Marc W.
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Extremely poorly. This should definitely go to cadet command, PMS or whoever can review their status as a cadet.
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If I'm reading this right, he had orders to report. I see not only AWOL charge but also Failure to go, failure to obey a lawful order, and conduct of unbecoming. So my question is, why mess around with a counseling? He is a grown adult and knows what is expected of him. Kick him out. You are then sending the message to others that this will not be tolerated.
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MSgt Operations Intelligence
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CPT Enrique M. - Great points. You would have to find out if he is or is not subject to the UCMJ and go from there. That would make a big difference.
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CPT Enrique M. Sir if he’s not contracted can you prevent him from becoming contracted? I don’t want someone like that leading me into battle or even to the dfac for that matter.
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CPT Enrique M.
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SPC (Join to see) - Yes and No.. Yes because the unit has influence on letting the ROTC unit know that the cadet doesn't meet standards. No because ultimately the decision is made by the ROTC unit and the processing steps they are required to make for contracting.
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My situation is similar in that we have 2 cadets that failed to show. We started the AWOL counseling but it was brought up that the cadets would be flagged for adverse action which may affect their scholarship. How would the adverse action flag get removed? How do they get back to their ROTC unit?
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CPT Griff Tatum
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A counseling statement is just documention that a conversation was had. As soon as he leaves or commissions out of the unit he can rip. And if the training NCO works for you/ the CO, then counsel him on why he’s adjusting his orders in the first place. He shouldn’t have initiated an internship knowing that he had military obligations. No one held his hand while he signed....
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