Posted on Apr 22, 2014
SGM Matthew Quick
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Share your story to assist others prior to transitioning.<div><br></div><div>With the veteran's unemployment rate higher than that of the overall unemployment rate and 'Unemployment Compensation' continually draining the military's budget, why do servicemembers leave the military without a solid plan?<br><br>What are the benefits?<br>Typically, the amount of unemployment that you would receive is based on income prior to separation. &nbsp;According to the Missouri Department of Labor Benefit Calculator (http://labor.mo.gov/DES/Claims/calculator), if you earned $27,000 in the year prior to applying, you would receive an estimated $270 weekly.</div>
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MSG Usarec Liason At Nrpc/Nara
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I think there might be a few reasons behind it.
1. They don't know what they want to be when they grow up. I have college degrees and I've worked various jobs civilian/military but I still can't answer that question. If I got out tomorrow I'd probably be just as lost as the next guy.

2. They are tired of answering to someone. Maybe they are ready for a break from the working world and want their spouses to take over for a while. I know a guy that is a retired 1SG his wife is a SFC and this was his plan. It lasted about 4 months before she had enough and told him he needed to find work because he was driving her nuts.

Just my thoughts
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SSG Robin Rushlo
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Simple we are taught to follow orders. No one gave a an order to make a plan. DUH!
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SSG Mike Angelo
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there is some truth in that, however as one progresses in the ranks, he/she learns to frag an order.
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tl/dr: Culture shock, no systems, no such thing as a board. Sorry for the length - this is an area I am kind of passionate about. I would edit, but I do have to get to my day job at some point. 
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So, having been in a somewhat unique position, a senior TPU officer counseling junior AC officers on transitioning, I think the #1 answer is "culture shock."  

It appears to me that most military personnel don't realize just how throughly planned/structured/organized/etc. the military is, or appreciate that there is always someone in charge making decisions based on semi-transparent criteria - carefully weighing the mission, the needs of the organization, and its people.   

In can hear keyboards starting to click right now about all the flaws that exist in the military, all the seemingly senseless decisions made, and horror stories about terrible leaders.... Post if you want. All I can say is you are comparing apples to carburetors.  As bad as you think any of the systems are in the military, the dirty secret is that they don't EXIST in any meaningful sense in the civilian world. 

Or, perhaps better stated: There are untold THOUSANDS of discrete, empirical, non-synchonized, contradictory, and non- or poorly documented systems. And generally what is published is a polite fiction, aimed at avoiding lawsuits.  

I'll give just a few examples from my day job:
1. Hiring. I have about a dozen people who work directly for me. What is the board process to get selected for this? There isn't one. You submit a resume and cover letter. If it appeals to me, You get an interview. If you get an interview, and I like your answers, You are competitive. I compare the competitive people. If I think you're the best fit, I'll offer  you the job. What makes your resume appeal to me?  There are certain things I look for. I look for self-directed people who have been able to get results in an unstructured  environment and present a professional image. However, there exist NO  objective criteria which will ensure your resume stands out to me.  [in another post, I would be happy to talk about tips & hints for resumes]  Moreover, the things that will make your resume pop for me may get it round-filed by John, the manager in the next office over.  And that's in one section of one division of one employer... And I haven't mentioned that I chose to NOT have HR screen resumes - I get them all. HR prefers to screen them so as to not waste my time with resumes that they don't think make the cut. I stopped letting them after they failed to forward me a resume from someone I had directly recruited. 
2. Evaluation. How are you evaluated? Depends on the employer. We have a structured evaluation process that is comprehensible compared to the OER/NCOER, with initial and mid-year counselings. However, it generally doesn't matter, unless you suck and I'm putting together a packet to fire you. It is very largely a Skillcraft drill where I work. That said, I tend to take it somewhat seriously (mostly because of my military background), and try to work in good counseling. At other employers I have worked for, it was a matter of life or death, where poor evals would lead to termination (not as support for a termination event, but as the event itself) or determination of a raise.
3. Raises. My employer has a rigidly established "step" chart. Comprehensible to the military. You get set raises basically every year until you hit 15 years. There are no performance raises or bonuses. I have worked for employers that did performance raises and bonuses. As well as employers that just pay straight commission. I have also worked for employers that hire you for a set wage, and that's your wage until you leave.
4. Promotions. Some employers have some idea of merit-based semi-automatic promotions, I'm told. I've never worked for one. In every employer I've ever worked with, you get promoted one of three ways: A) You apply for a new job - either with the current or different employer,  B) You are by-name recruited into a new position, either with the current or different employer, or C) You get a position created for you.  At my current employer of 15 years, I was initially hired as an "in training" computer programmer (so, technically, there were a few semi-automatic "promotions" until I hit the full-performance level of the position hired for), I applied for a higher-level programming job and got it. I was by-name recruited to replace a project manager that left unexpectedly. Finally, I lobbied to create my current position - then lobbied that I should be the person to do it. If I wish to be promoted again (and I do), my options are to A) create a new position, B) get selected for the CIO position when my boss leaves, C) get my resume out there...
5. Workplace Norms. Some employers are suit and tie, button-down and terribly proper. Some are jeans and t-shirt and nerd fights in the office. In my case, as a programmer, I was in jeans and a t-shirt, and was seen as professional. As a project manager I work khakis and polo shirts and was good to go. In my current position, it's dress shoes, slacks, shirt and tie. Other managers at my level are suits every day, while others are still at jeans and t-shirt.  And I've only hit on dress codes at ONE employer. I had a meeting with the well-respected head of another agency yesterday - He was in a hawaiian shirt. This is why I often bite my tongue in posts about the military presenting a "professional" appearance. I have very little idea what that's supposed to mean.

So, I just picked 5 big items to highlight. Think of it this way. When someone enters the military, they go through a structured and intentional program to explain the new rules of the new organization they joined. Then those norms and success patterns are reinforced for every day of their service. It is IMPOSSIBLE to do the same transitioning to the civilian world. Not difficult. IMPOSSIBLE. Because there is no one organization, set of norms, or success patterns. Not taking away from ACAP. It's better than nothing, but the cultural shift is just huge. 


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I agree with the LTC, most people do not see how the military operates in its full capacity. Most Soldiers only know what happens in their company or platoon.
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SSG Mike Angelo
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The LTC makes several points to think about. The Army and military service is a system. It takes time to accept it, learn it and to successfully navigate it.

Once it becomes habit forming, and the SM or DoD civilian becomes acculturate to that system, anything external seems to be vague and ambiguous, until the SM or DoD Civilian retires or ends his/her contract with the military branch.

Now being on the outside of the military looking in, the retiree for example knows very little about the new living and working environment.

Military systemic habits are a condition that may leave the retiree handicapped....deaf, dumb and blind in the civilian world.

This condition has caused suicides, heart attacks/strokes, anxiety attacks, divorce, increase debt, homelessness and hunger.

ACAP does introduce the Service Member to the process of the civilian world but does not prepare for the retiree to cope with change.

Until such time of confidence, Retirees should be granted 100% disability from the VA due to incompatible social and emotional norms developed while serving in the military. IMO
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