Posted on Nov 12, 2015
Should a business be allowed to not let people into their store/restaurant if they are carrying a weapon?
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http://www.ksat.com/news/watch-how-mom-and-pop-shops-can-follow-states-open-carry-law
Texas has passed the Open Carry Law.
Should Restaurant owners, store owners or any business owners be allowed to ask anyone entering their place of business to leave their weapon in their vehicle, or otherwise don't come in?
I personally don't like it....but I know many on RP will disagree.
What do you say?
Texas has passed the Open Carry Law.
Should Restaurant owners, store owners or any business owners be allowed to ask anyone entering their place of business to leave their weapon in their vehicle, or otherwise don't come in?
I personally don't like it....but I know many on RP will disagree.
What do you say?
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This is a Public vs. Private matter.
You as a homeowner don't have to allow someone with a weapon into your home. A PRIVATE business owner should be able to exercise the same abilities.
The 2a is restrictions on the GOVERNMENT, not the People. We have to keep these concepts separate. Compelled action, is restriction of Freedom. If the Government makes a person say something, it is just as bad as saying they can't say something. Likewise if the Government tells a Private Citizen or Organization they cannot restrict access or weapons on their own property (a compelled action), then they are infringing their Freedoms for the sake of someone else. Equally bad.
The person who wishes to carry (openly) can choose to shop elsewhere (generally), which maintains the balance.
You as a homeowner don't have to allow someone with a weapon into your home. A PRIVATE business owner should be able to exercise the same abilities.
The 2a is restrictions on the GOVERNMENT, not the People. We have to keep these concepts separate. Compelled action, is restriction of Freedom. If the Government makes a person say something, it is just as bad as saying they can't say something. Likewise if the Government tells a Private Citizen or Organization they cannot restrict access or weapons on their own property (a compelled action), then they are infringing their Freedoms for the sake of someone else. Equally bad.
The person who wishes to carry (openly) can choose to shop elsewhere (generally), which maintains the balance.
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Cpl Jeff N.
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS . We only have conceal carry in FL. My understanding of the law (and I do have a permit) is that there are designated no carry locations (courts, schools, jails, drinking establishments etc. standard list). Someone putting a no weapons sign on their door does not mean you must follow it since the law does not recognize a restaurant as a locations recognized by the law as being no carry. Open carry is a little different in that it is obvious you have a weapon.
Businesses open to the public are a gray area in my mind. I will conceal carry anywhere except those places listed in the law regardless of a sign. The feds have set precedent by getting involved in local business issues such as the now famous bakery that didn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding in contradiction with their personal religious beliefs.
Businesses open to the public are a gray area in my mind. I will conceal carry anywhere except those places listed in the law regardless of a sign. The feds have set precedent by getting involved in local business issues such as the now famous bakery that didn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding in contradiction with their personal religious beliefs.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Cpl Jeff N. It's generally treated as Trespass if you don't follow posted (private) signs. They don't have (a lot of) legal weight other than the proprietor can ask you to leave, and if you don't they call the authorities.
The bakery issue falls under a completely different set of rules however, because of anti-discrimination laws for "protected classes" (gender, race, religion, etc). Firearm owners don't fall under those classes. I don't personally agree with protected classes when it comes to the Free Market, as this is something can sort itself out in VERY short order, but these are just different issues legally. When the bakery thing happened the only question that should have been asked was "Why would you want someone making your cake who doesn't want to make your cake? They aren't going to do the best job." Just like the gun issue. Why shop someplace that doesn't want you there.
The bakery issue falls under a completely different set of rules however, because of anti-discrimination laws for "protected classes" (gender, race, religion, etc). Firearm owners don't fall under those classes. I don't personally agree with protected classes when it comes to the Free Market, as this is something can sort itself out in VERY short order, but these are just different issues legally. When the bakery thing happened the only question that should have been asked was "Why would you want someone making your cake who doesn't want to make your cake? They aren't going to do the best job." Just like the gun issue. Why shop someplace that doesn't want you there.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
I don't like it, but that's the owner's rights as it is their private property that I am a guest on. If they don't want me or my gun in their store, I simply won't patronize their establishment anymore.
I don't like it, but that's the owner's rights as it is their private property that I am a guest on. If they don't want me or my gun in their store, I simply won't patronize their establishment anymore.
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Simple solution: conceal your weapon. I never open carry unless in uniform. You are safer with it concealed anyway. You don't cause liberals to piss themselves and you don't invite bad guys to try to take it. You also don't make yourself a target if something does happen. Of course I also try not to do business with places that restrict guns. "Gun free" areas are too tempting for bad guys.
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CPL Richard Rios
Only insecure wannabes want to show off their sidearm. Concealment is key in any and all situations. Old Nam Screaming Eagle Nam grunt...don't let the silver hair fool you.
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