Posted on May 25, 2016
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During an APFT, there is no requirement to measure/survey a 2 mile course prior to the APFT. Is there a regulation that would disqualify the entire APFT?
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MSG Pat Colby
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Edited 8 y ago
Good Lord I'm having flashbacks. We had a running route ( city Blocks/streets) laid out near our Unit Building for the conduct of an APFT. No less than 5 different people/Units all Wheeled it out on foot and came to different spots. Some used the middle of the street, some used the furthest from the corners, and others used the shortest distance around the corners. Some just staggered or Methed their way all over the road. Of course each of them used spray paint to mark their Start and Finish lines AND The 1/2, 1, and 1.5 mile marks. This happened EVERY FUCKING YEAR ON THE SAME FUCKING ROUTE! One year along came some Staff Puke Officer who measured it with the odometer of his car and tried to spray paint over ALL lines everyone else marked off on the entire route. Toss in the 2.5 mile route and you now have an Official Cluster-Fuck.

And people wondered why I drank as the Training NCO. Good luck on this one, Buddy. I'm going to mix a drink and toast my beloved DD 214 that shields me from this nonsense!
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SGT Dave Tracy
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LOL!!
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MSG Jay Jackson
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I always measured from the center of the road or find a two mile stretch.
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I have an awesome app on my phone called "map my run" it's by under armor I've yet to see if our track (not really a track but a path" we run on is within regs. I'm sure they slip in about and extra 1/4 mile or so on us it's a fun track though camp dodge in Johnston Iowa
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SFC Opsnco
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As a former Training NCO I have to concur with your assessment.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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SGT (Join to see) "What happens if it is found the APFT 2 mile track is not at the appropriate measurement?"
1:Confirm your position, have a an unbiased peer confirm your belief.
2:Inform the commander of your findings.
3:Provide a recommendation and solution.
If you're unwilling or unable to do all three, especially #3 pick a different battle, and take a good look inward and ask yourself if "no one is more professional then I" is applicable.
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SGM Robin Johnson
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Edited 8 y ago
FM 7-22 states in Appendix A para A16 and A33 that the two-mile course will be measured. If it is not a TWO MILE course, it is not a valid test. The way to measure the course is to use the wheel (usually maintained at the fitness facility) to measure the inside lane (or straight line if it is a roadway). If it is a course constructed to specific measurements (half-mile track) that can be avoided. As stated in the regulation, if it is a 400-meter track you must measure and add the additional 61 feet 4 inches to make it two miles. Each unit commander can determine that the measurement is accurate according to their findings, however, if there is a single course being used with many disparate markings the installation will often have the expert at MWR or the fitness facility mark a course and erect permanent markings at each quarter or half mile point.
The reference in para A16 to it not being necessary to survey the course means that no one needs to walk or run the entire course ahead of the run (surveying the course) assuring a previously measured course that has been determined to be relatively level and of a slope no greater than 3% (in other words, meeting the specifications) is OK that particular day. So in practical terms, you don't need to send anyone out to kick the rocks off the course before you send runners, although many units do this just to make sure there are no surprises if they can't see the entirety of the course.
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SGT Military Police
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Thank you SGM Johnson. I appreciate the regulation with your answer!
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