Posted on Jun 17, 2014
1SG Chris Brown
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As the Army looks at reshaping our force and drawing down, we all talk a lot about what that means to the individual (i.e. recruiting new personnel, early retirements, SERBs, etc). I'm sure many have seen the deactivation of a unit here or there at the same time, whether it be some of the Infantry Battalions that are going away or even the talk about deactivating two Combat Aviation Brigades (CABs).

How many have given serious thought to us losing a Division though? If we cut down to the 420K that many think we might, we must consider the possibility of an active duty Army Division disappearing. Of the 10 that are left, which do you think is the right one for deactivation?
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1SG James Wise
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I recently read a study that looked at the number of general level officers compared to the times the Army was cut to this size or smaller...and we currently have way more general officers than back in the 20s-30s for example. Currently I feel the Army is too top heavy for the amount of forces we expect to field, and that some of the HQ's need shaved down drastically or even cut. Just like we regrow/build units when needed, we can regrow those DIV and higher HQ's, their staffs, and promote deserving officers into the higher ranks to fill them, or even bring some back from retirement and their Fox News jobs.
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1SG James Wise
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My option would be to cut the staffs by about 50% while keeping all 10 Active DIV Flags flying. Also, additional GO slots Army wide need cut, including all the extra stars in each DIV - One Major General and a SINGLE Brigadier General are enough for a DIV staff...not the multiple 1-stars we see now. Those extra BGs be deployment level staffing or war-time...not draw-down peace time manning.

As much as I believe we need to cut the amount of senior leaders in the Army...we need to slash the number of civilians in the units to ZERO...maybe keep ONE for safety and one for FRG, but that is it. No senior civilian leaders in DCO slots or anything like that though. Get green-suiters back in the school houses, staffs, running the bases, cooking food, and everything else we hired civilians and contractors to do the last 12 years.
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1SG James Wise
1SG James Wise
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Best help I've had with movement was the civilians at FRK handling post movement and transportation...and I have no issues with keeping post level assets like that. We have officers and NCOs though that specialize in movement to handle unit movements in coordination with post/garrison level civilian assets.
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SGM Mike Bachini
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7ID inactivated; 2ID moved to Jblm
With the withdrawal of troops there.
All provisional units inactivated from
Company and higher.
Take one side off the pentagon and 1/5th of the service members assigned there and refer to it as the "Quad".
(Partial satire here.... Do not get B hurt over this...)
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1SG Chris Brown
1SG Chris Brown
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I like your idea on the Pentagon. Maybe we just cut 1/5 of the positions and move all the military offices from Crystal City into the Pentagon where they belong. For those who have never been to the DC area, Crystal City is part of Arlington County and is just South of the Pentgon. We have MANY military offices all through there since there is not enough space at the Pentagon to house everyone. It's almost like a mini-military community down there; go by at lunch sometime and see all the different services out for lunch.
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CPT Jacob Swartout
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The remaining 10 AD Divisions have too much history and a tough choice to choose which one would be deactivated. One would have to look at the strategic importance and what the unit mission capabilities are currently. Location may play a decision part which brings up questions pertaining to logistics. I would say that one of the four Infantry Divisions would go next. If this were to happen, the Army may reorganized the other Divisions a little. Good question but I really don't have an answer for which one would be on the rumor list to be deactivated. I hope we don't lose any of the 10 remaining AD Divisions. Possibly deactivating more separate BDEs or Regiments would be the other option to downsizing.
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick
MSG(P) Michael Warrick
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Tough decision to be made. So much to consider!
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1SG Michael Blount
1SG Michael Blount
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SFC - A unit's history is less important than it's current strength and operating capability. We've deactivated hundreds of units with history and lineage that predate the US Army. IMHO, the Army should consolidate units to (a) save money by reducing HQ support headcount while (b) maintaining, if not enhancing operational capability. I also think the time is right to create joint units - for example, combining Army and USMC ground assets into a single entity. You could do this on a pilot basis to work out the kinks, then go full bore. This would increase interoperability, reduce HQ headcount even more, and take the best of what each Service has to offer, using it for the common good.
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1SG Chris Brown
1SG Chris Brown
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1SG Blount - I don't know how well it would work, but I definitely like the idea of creating a Joint unit with Army and USMC assets. I think the interoperations would be a huge learning experience for both services and that we could make some very powerful units that have a broader capability. Agree that it would take a pilot program perhaps to see how things work out, but might be worth the effort. I've been Joint before, and when you bring the services together to accomplish a mission, you can get a lot more done than simply all going it alone.
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1SG Michael Blount
1SG Michael Blount
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1SG Brown - yah, the interoperability piece would be a huge issue, with each side basically arguing about who's in charge. IF you got the right commanders sending the right message from the get-go, something like this would work. A possible scenario could be joining up smaller, more tactical units as a (eg SOF, MARSOC), then company-sized elements before moving up eschelons as you go. I'm guessing you'd find greater cooperation at the tactical levels than staff. For that matter, you MIGHT even have joint NCO Schools where each Service could learn from the other. Hmmm.....
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