Posted on Aug 18, 2016
Who has to sign my dd368 to be separated from the Army?
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I am requesting to be released from the Army Reserves to complete my Naval Aviator packet.
I'm getting some mixed answers on who signs off on my release. I looked into regulations and read that a Lieutenant Colonel or higher can release me from the Army, but my unit admin tells me a flag officer needs to sign it. The issue is my packet needs to be submitted in 2 weeks. Anyone have any insight?
I'm getting some mixed answers on who signs off on my release. I looked into regulations and read that a Lieutenant Colonel or higher can release me from the Army, but my unit admin tells me a flag officer needs to sign it. The issue is my packet needs to be submitted in 2 weeks. Anyone have any insight?
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From the Army Reserve, the approval authority is the USARC G-1. Must be submitted through the chain of command, with a DA 4187 endorsing your conditional release from every level of your chain of command. It will get kicked back if not all in order. Takes a long time to get an answer on it. Good luck.
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SFC J Fullerton
Yeah, sorry not better news. The Army Reserve makes it hard for someone to get out of their enlistment contract to join another branch, or in some cases even to be released to go Regular Army. Not that it is impossible, just that you have a lot of hurdles to jump. Hopefully you are not in a high priority MOS or TPU that is understrength.
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SSG (Join to see)
I've tried to get out a few times, twice for special forces recommendation and a 3rd for national guard that was closer to home (I drive 6 hours to my unit). 368s are a pain and yes they have to go all the way up. First two were 'lost' and my recent was denied due to my unit strength. However, if it's something you really wanna do stay on it, annoy your S1 and keep contact with the status. It's not unheard of that they do get approved!
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That 368 is a dod instruction.usually your unit co signs it then that is returned to your sponsoring branch handler who works with usmepcom to to a new physical specific the special requirements of the dity assignment. I do not know or think the regs required a certain paygrade officer beyond the unit co. What dod reg are you referencing. Easiest thing to do is read the actual dd form 368. All the instructs are on ther. I would not believe just by mouth the words of someone without referencing the instruction
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LTJG (Join to see)
Army regulation 635-200. I was just told since I'm getting released from the army in general, not just the reserves to say active duty, it's a completely different animal. I'm really hoping you're right and it doesn't have to reach a flag general for time considerations. You're right that the instructions don't mention anything about a specific rank signing it
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
LTJG (Join to see) - I went through a Navy Reserve to Army Active Inter-Service Transfer, dd368, process 1998. I was just attempting regular transfer of paygrade, time in service, transfer of obligated service, new MOS, bootcamp redo in army. The ARmy Recruiter, from the local Army Recruiting station, handed me the paper 368, told me to take it to my Navy Unit CO who signed it, and returned it to the Army Recruiter. I was processed through MEPS, redoing the exact same physical I did to enter the Navy healthy, as a new recruit. I re did the ASVAB again as if a new recruit. I was found to have spine problem, and I had already developed some kind of anxiety mood disorder, and USMEPCOM sent me out for a PSYCH Eval. I failed all that. I was medically disqualified, and was still obligated to NAVY and returned back to my unit and continued. I wont get into the details of what happened. Because I know I should of been med boarded. My physical profile or PULHES score changed from healthy (1) to a (3P) that needs clearance for further duty. But because it was 1998, and it was mainly paper records, no one transferd the information to the Navy, or me directly. And why would they tell a young guy he is sick directly, and not get him medical attention first.
Anyways, back to you, I think you are going for a (SPONSORING BRANCH) NAVY Special Duty Assignment with Special Duty Pay which requires a Special Aviator Duty Physical most likely performed at USMEPCOM or a NAVY MTF after the 368 is processed by your Navy Handler(you can google Navy Aviator BUMED Chapter 15 Special Physicals and it might pop up what you are looking at as far as what type of physical or standards there are for that duty), from a Regular Duty Assignment without special duty pay(Army). I am not sure if this is an officer program you are going for. You may not need to go to Navy Bootcamp in this program you are going for, but maybe you are going to go to OCS officer candidate school. That may be part of it.
But as far as the 368 is concerned, it is as simple, as a 1 or 2 page document, given to you from your Navy Recruiter for Aviator Applications that you should have already contact with walking you through this process, handed to your Army CO or XO, that am sure you know, signed, back to the Navy Handler, who then does all the backend stuff. You just do what your Navy Recruiter tells you from that point which will most likely be a Special Duty Assignment Physical to make sure you are PQ for that duty, before the 368 is completed and transfer of service is completed Army to Navy.
That is what I am seeing.
Am on on to something here?
Anyways, back to you, I think you are going for a (SPONSORING BRANCH) NAVY Special Duty Assignment with Special Duty Pay which requires a Special Aviator Duty Physical most likely performed at USMEPCOM or a NAVY MTF after the 368 is processed by your Navy Handler(you can google Navy Aviator BUMED Chapter 15 Special Physicals and it might pop up what you are looking at as far as what type of physical or standards there are for that duty), from a Regular Duty Assignment without special duty pay(Army). I am not sure if this is an officer program you are going for. You may not need to go to Navy Bootcamp in this program you are going for, but maybe you are going to go to OCS officer candidate school. That may be part of it.
But as far as the 368 is concerned, it is as simple, as a 1 or 2 page document, given to you from your Navy Recruiter for Aviator Applications that you should have already contact with walking you through this process, handed to your Army CO or XO, that am sure you know, signed, back to the Navy Handler, who then does all the backend stuff. You just do what your Navy Recruiter tells you from that point which will most likely be a Special Duty Assignment Physical to make sure you are PQ for that duty, before the 368 is completed and transfer of service is completed Army to Navy.
That is what I am seeing.
Am on on to something here?
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LTJG (Join to see)
In most aspects. I already took and passed the flight physical. Took all the tests, got all my letters of recommendation yada ya. Did all the leg work on my end. I won't be going to Navy boot camp (Army basic covers all but marine corp boot camp) just OCS then flight school if selected. I also already have the form, but my recruiter doesn't know who exactly has to sign it from the Army, nor does most of my unit. There's a bit of a language barrier in terms of branch structure to make it worse. She mentions my commanding officer might have to sign it, but in the Army commanding officer refers to any officer in charge of of any size element, company, battalion, brigade, division etc. so I don't know who she's referring to. I'm starting to figure the best move is to personally walk this form to the highest level I can without overstepping my boundaries, assume they know where the form has to go, follow up, and emphasize the suspense of my packet.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
LTJG (Join to see) -
I remember in Navy Boot there was a Army Inter-Service Transfer, who was in the mess hall who told us he transferred branches. Anyways, things seemingly changed, as they do.
I did a check on http://www.military.com/army/officer-ranks.html and I think this is who you would have sign it, since he Commands and Controls Company Sized Units. Have you asked him? If he does not do it, then I am sure he will know who would.
Captain (CPT)(O3)
Addressed as "Captain." Commands and controls company-sized units (62 to 190 Soldiers), together with a principal NCO assistant. Instructs skills at service schools and The United States Army combat training centers and is often a Staff Officer at the battalion level.
I just went to my OIC Officer of my Unit, who happened to be the Commanding Officer or OIC. I guess it is a play of words. But what ever Officer is in CHARGE of your unit is your OIC, or also would be called your Commanding Officer on any given day.
On a Navy Ship or Shore Command, the OIC is always the CO, when there. But if the CO is not there, then the next in charge, or OIC, of the Ship, is the XO.
On Military.com it says the First Lieutenant (1LT)(O2) is usually called the XO of a of a company-sized unit (110 to 140 personnel).
From what I am gathering a Company Sized Unit would have a Captain O3 acting as CO, and then the 1st LT acting as XO.
In Navy Terms an O3 would not be a Combat Ship CO. A Combat Ship CO needs a bit more seasoning. When I was in, the COMMANDER O5 is the earliest you will see as CO of smaller sized Combat Ships, but sometimes a Captain O6(FULL BIRD), depending on the class of Combat Ship. There is a XO 1 paygrade lower then him, and many junior officers under him in charge such as divisions and departments on Ships.
Another quick idea came my way. Why not ask a Army Recruiter who he would have sign the 368 in your case? I am sure that would get a good answer.
Are you still OBLIGOR? You have to do OCS, even if you are not sure you are accepted for Flight School yet? Or is that you are guaranteed flight school when you complete OCS successfully?
What kind of Flight School? I don't know much about that. Do they guarantee you a certain type of Aircraft training at first? I am sure that must be a great feeling.
I can imagine being attached to an Aircraft Carrier will be something amazing in the Air Wing, as a Pilot! I can only imagine.
I remember in Navy Boot there was a Army Inter-Service Transfer, who was in the mess hall who told us he transferred branches. Anyways, things seemingly changed, as they do.
I did a check on http://www.military.com/army/officer-ranks.html and I think this is who you would have sign it, since he Commands and Controls Company Sized Units. Have you asked him? If he does not do it, then I am sure he will know who would.
Captain (CPT)(O3)
Addressed as "Captain." Commands and controls company-sized units (62 to 190 Soldiers), together with a principal NCO assistant. Instructs skills at service schools and The United States Army combat training centers and is often a Staff Officer at the battalion level.
I just went to my OIC Officer of my Unit, who happened to be the Commanding Officer or OIC. I guess it is a play of words. But what ever Officer is in CHARGE of your unit is your OIC, or also would be called your Commanding Officer on any given day.
On a Navy Ship or Shore Command, the OIC is always the CO, when there. But if the CO is not there, then the next in charge, or OIC, of the Ship, is the XO.
On Military.com it says the First Lieutenant (1LT)(O2) is usually called the XO of a of a company-sized unit (110 to 140 personnel).
From what I am gathering a Company Sized Unit would have a Captain O3 acting as CO, and then the 1st LT acting as XO.
In Navy Terms an O3 would not be a Combat Ship CO. A Combat Ship CO needs a bit more seasoning. When I was in, the COMMANDER O5 is the earliest you will see as CO of smaller sized Combat Ships, but sometimes a Captain O6(FULL BIRD), depending on the class of Combat Ship. There is a XO 1 paygrade lower then him, and many junior officers under him in charge such as divisions and departments on Ships.
Another quick idea came my way. Why not ask a Army Recruiter who he would have sign the 368 in your case? I am sure that would get a good answer.
Are you still OBLIGOR? You have to do OCS, even if you are not sure you are accepted for Flight School yet? Or is that you are guaranteed flight school when you complete OCS successfully?
What kind of Flight School? I don't know much about that. Do they guarantee you a certain type of Aircraft training at first? I am sure that must be a great feeling.
I can imagine being attached to an Aircraft Carrier will be something amazing in the Air Wing, as a Pilot! I can only imagine.
Army ranks are split into two tiers: Officer and Generals.
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